"He is still, only, human..."

I just rewatched the trailer. It seemed different this time. Maybe
because I haven't watched it for a few days. Anyways, the three
new agents said:

""He is still, only, human..."

The first agent said "He is still", the second said "only" and
the one in the middle, said "human".

Could this mean tht perhaps in the 2nd or 3rd part Neo
is completely freed from the outside world and exists only
in the Matrix, as "The One"?

It kinda makes me wonder, whatcha think?

I think that it might only allude to the fact that even though he's almost a god in the matrix, he has a human body lying defenseless in the realworld.

If they were to create a sentinel that is immune to EMPs, that would add a little more danger to hacking the matrix.

-WC-

Yeah, but the Oracle spoke of a man that was born inside
the Matrix, the one to reshape the Matrix as he saw fit.
That would mean that they wouldn't need a body (I guess)
and once the mind got assimilated to existing only in the
Matrix, it wouldn't need the body.

Hmm, that sort of happened in Lawnmower Man.

That would mean that he would solely live in the Matrix, and when the Matrix is destroyed that would mean the savior would die.

Would make for decent plotline.

-WC-

In the trailer Morpheus says:

"What if the prophecy is true, what if tomorrow the war
could be over. Is it worth fighting for, is it worth dying for?"

Maybe foreshadowing Neo's death. I guess it would make
sense, but I don't want Neo to die! ;)

I was working on one of the trailors yesterday too. There was someone Neo was fighting that looked oriental, looked like it was going to be a good fight scene. Not sure who it was though.

As for the prophecy, how is it worded exactly? Let's break it down. Post it if you can.

Morph's was that he would find the one. Whether Neo is the one or someone almost as strong as the one, we'll find out soon.

Neo proved he's willing to die for a purpose by going to get Morph from captivity.

-WC-

Originally posted by Luc
I just rewatched the trailer. It seemed different this time. Maybe
because I haven't watched it for a few days. Anyways, the three
new agents said:

""He is still, only, human..."

The first agent said "He is still", the second said "only" and
the one in the middle, said "human".

Could this mean tht perhaps in the 2nd or 3rd part Neo
is completely freed from the outside world and exists only
in the Matrix, as "The One"?

It kinda makes me wonder, whatcha think?

I don't believe so, about the "existing only in The Matrix", because I think Agents, are looking at Neo, as a Battery, a Coppertop to call him what Switch called him in the begining, because remember, Morpheus told Neo all the machines see and use us for is Batterys. I believe the Agents continue to see Neo as a battery, a rechargeable one at that, because if they win the fight, Neo and the rest of the bunch will probably go right back into the gel pods of whence they came, and have their memorys blanked out as to what happened, eather that or the Agents, will kill them. :)

I don't believe they would ever reinsert Neo. He's more than
a battery, he's "The One". He was created for the purpose
of shaping the Matrix into what could be a livable human
world. The Matrix FEARS him, and so do the agents. They
know what he is capable of and the only way they can win
is if they attack in great numbers.

Having said that, Neo is just a body, but the "Spirit" or his
"algorithm" floats in the Matrix from one body to another
when he dies.

Having said that, it would make sense why the Oracle said
"You've got the gift, but you're waiting for something... Maybe
another lifetime, I don't know, that's how these things work."

I don't think "The One" can ever be destroyed as long as the
Matrix exists. If Neo is killed, someone else becomes the one
and until they somehow realize it, they will live their life
not knowing it.

I agree and disagree with you.

I agree that they would never reinsert any of these rebels that have already been out. Right now they have 6billion batteries, why would they want the trouble of adding a handful more that were known troublemakers.

I would kill them and be done with it.

Luc, I disagree with you on the theory of the One. If it was a floating algorithm that flowed to another host upon death - note that the Matrix considered Neo to be dead given that he woke up in his pod and they pooped him out.

People that knew him in Matrix-life probably found his dead corpse wherever it was that he took the red pill.

I think the gift is a mindset, might be as simple as a strong sense of lawlessness or desire to not listen to authority.

-WC-

they wouldnt have found his corpse-once u leave the matrix(i.e wen the a.i bots take the thing out of his neck)his body would disapear-plus after the red pill hes still there after he wakes up in the feilds hes gone

Nope, I disagree. I am willing to bet that when Neo took the red pill, his Matrix body fell to a corpse and the others in the group took a hard line out.

-WC-

If the red pill is part of a tracer program that allowed them to find his meat body in the right part of the big cesspool, (and I would assume it also allowed them to unplug him when they found the source of his signal). I think I remember morpheus saying tank, weneed an exit. So I would imagine that the exit would allow them all to leave and exit to their places of connection (morpheus and the rest go back to neb, and neo to the pod).

I don't think there would be a body laying there.

I think that in the matrix each person's body is created in his or her own mind. Mropheus said that The body is the self image that your brain creates for your self. When Neo's mind is unpluged from the matrix, his body just disipears. Like Trinity's body when she "Exits" in the phone booth at the beginning of the movie just before an agent smashes it with a garbage truck.

The red pill is just as it says it is. It disrupts your input/output carrier signals so that they can pinpoint his location. Bascially, everyone outputs a signal, and these are all similar. If the redpill disrupts it, they can pinpoint it with some detection device. And move the ship to where ever he is. And that's what happened. He fell out of the matrix (due to the red pill, the red pill meant he was in a different state of mind, and remember, the matrix is all in the mind, so for that period, he isn't part of the matrix or real life consciousness) this was why he was disconnected. His body was of no use to the machines, so he was dumped, and hopefully drowned (it was water, right? he wouldn't be able to breath in water, and would die, had it not been for the nebuchadnezzer picking him up.

In relation to the question. I reckon they think they're better than him. Since, as it points out later on in the trailer, they are "upgraded" giving them more confidence that they'll be able to beat him.

Hehe... thanks for giving me a bit of insight on things as well.

Hmm... in relation to the "waiting for something" it is waiting for morpheus to be captured, and give him reason to believe in himself. This means that later on he fully believes "there is no spoon"

I'll post my insight in a different topic

idea sounds logic

Remember when Cypher disconnected Apoc ahd Switch? Their bodies fell to the ground lifeless.

I believe using that same logic, Neo fell to the ground as well in matrix-life.

-wC-

@wildcard

i don't agree with you!

if someone will kill neo inside the matrix his body will die inside and outside the matrix (if someone will take his work or not is uninterresting ;)!

if someone will kill neo outside the matrix (but his "virtual body" is inside the matrix) he will die too!

but one thing i think its unpossible: that an agent kill him! he have schon in "the matrix" that he is stronger than the agents. so its possible that he could survive evry attack. he seems to be a god or something like that, inside the matrix!

greetz the dj

welcome to the real ;)

ok remember near the end how he died and came back to life in the matrix, I belive he cannot be killed hence the twin virus. I belive that he won't have to be plugged in this time around and that he travels in and out of the matrix. His body that the A.I unplugged and dumped is still him.

@ulti you thing no one can kill him?

"the body cannot live without the mind". I believe that is what Morph told Neo when they came out of the sparring program. Therefor if he died in the Matrix he died everywhere. Remember when Agent Smith shot Neo at the end of The Matrix. his body died there and on the Neb. As for when they first took Neo out of the Matrix there would not have been a body because he never died, they simply disconnected him from the mainframe.

@bugg

i think neo can even alive when someone will kill him in the matrix! ok, its very strange, but i think so!

if someone will kill him, his body will disconnect from the mine and will alive with a new mine! so thats my thought!


greets the dj

DjCracker

I think that once he believed he was The One, he had the same power so to speak as the agents. Which means that he can take over a body to transport from one person to another.

@bugg i don't think he can transport from one person to anthoer, but i think he can control other people! do you remember the scene at the oracel? with the little boy? when he bend the spoon? i think so he can humans toooo! with the spoon he show that he can control the matrix! so he can use the physical or logical things of the matrix as the agents can use it! but he couldn't change from one person to another!

So you think that the only reason he was able to enter Agent Smith is because he is a computer generated program with no physical body anywhere (but we don't know that for sure). And if he can be killed how would they kill him. He can stop bullets, he's faster than them, and he can change the Matrix as he sees fit. If all that is true there can never be an agent strong enough to kill him only the people around him. And if I remember correctly he was shot a point blank range and came back to life. So DJCracker enlighten me on that :)

Hi

Well...

I think the red pill just interrupted the connection from Neo's physical to his psychical body! It also send a signal to the place Neo's body in the 'Reality' would become free and killed. They say that the AI kill useless humans and make food for other humans out of them. So i think the 'water' wasn't only 'water'.
And if the connection is interrupted, it's like Neo would die in the Real World, so he died in the Matrix. but because Morpheus rescued him in the last minute he is still alive in the Real World.

If Neo connects to the Matrix, like the others, his mind is there. They can change their clothes and their appearence, right? They want to be that and that and because they have no 'real' body in the Matrix they can do what they want! :)

But if someone killes the Mind in the Matrix there Bodies die too! Why? Remember when Neo tried to jump from one house to another! Morpheus said it.
And of course you die if someone kills your real body in the Real World.

Neo 'freed his mind' with thinking he IS the one. He CAN do what he want. He IS stronger then all others. So he realized that those bullets which 'killed' him can't kill him if he don't wants to be killed!


Ok, i hope you understood something.. I know my English isn't that well but my thoughts a pure chaos.. :)
I'm from Austria, forgive me *gg*


Bis dann ;)


P.S.: The oracle said he could be it, but he might wait for a 'new' life! Just think about the end: The agents killed him, but he came back. They shot him, and i think he was between dead and alive, and just a second before everything was lost he realized some things and - JUHU - he's back in a NEW life! And he's back as the one!


Just my opinion.. :)

The Oracle only told him what he needed to hear to begin to free his mind. Otherwise why would she tell him about having to make a choice between his life and Morpheus's life. He couldn't believe he was the One because well let's face WHO COULD. Unless you had to make a choice. And only after he chose to die to save Morph was he able to start to "change" things as he saw fit. Even after he saved Trin on top of the building he himself still did not completely believe, remember he said to Morph "the Oracle told me". He just needed a reason. I think that if he can be killed we have not been given enough info yet to truly know how and under what circumstances. If he is the One, only someone stronger than the One can destroy him and i dont think we have met them yet.:rolleyes: