Lately I have been pondering on my sanity. I thought what makes someone distinguishable as a crazy person? How do you go crazy, and if you are how would you know? What is the key factor of a insane personality, and how does it happen?
I have wondered if I am crazy, or borderline scitzofrenic. I have sat back thinking, before I go to sleep, who am I? If I can't tell, who knows if I am really here? I have gone over the possibility that everyone I have seen was just created in my head; a way for my subconscious to test me, or to put myself through trials that are my conscious fears, that I want to overcome.
I have thought that there is no one in the universe but me, because the universe is in my mind, and I hold the ability to control what it is. That everyone else are people I have created due to what I want out of my life. It could theoreticaly work, because humans have self-destructing minds, but then again I am taking it from referense. The only referense I know is in my mind.
I think that this is probably not true, but is a interesting theory. If anyone wants to add to this, via past experiences or thoughts or theories/philosophies, I would be glad to read your reply. Originally posted by 01-rebel
Lately I have been pondering on my sanity. I thought what makes someone distinguishable as acrazy person? How do you go crazy, and if you are how would you know? What is the key factor of a insane personality, and how does it happen?
I have wondered if I am crazy, or borderline scitzofrenic. I have sat back thinking, before I go to sleep, who am I? If I can't tell, who knows if I am really here? I have gone over the possibility that everyone I have seen was just created in my head; a way for my subconscious to test me, or to put myself through trials that are my conscious fears, that I want to overcome.
I have thought that there is no one in the nuiverse but me, because the universe is in my mind, and I hold the ability to control what it is. That everyone else are people I have created due to what I want out of my life. It could theoreticaly work, because humans have self-destructing minds, but then again I am taking it from referense. The only referense I know is in my mind.
I think that this is probably not true, but is a interesting theory. If anyone wants to add to this, via past experiences or thoughts or theories/philosophies, I would be glad to read your reply.
this may sound weird but this exactly the same thing I've thought...everything is created in my mind...and when I told this to my friends, everyone said I'm insane...but isn't there the possibility? It's actually very common (and believe it or not a healthy process) to question the hows, whys and what ifs of our sanity. For when we don't, we then start to not question a lot of other important thoughts that help a sane person distinguish what is or is not the proper course of action to take with different circumstances.
SF, join the club lol. Anyway, it's far more fun to be slightly diverse and non conforming. I'd rather be known as the branch that bends any old day considering the alternative!:) Sanity is relative to the environment and people surrounding you. Just like the idea of what is normal...it's what the majority thinks is "ok". In a matter of speaking you're right. Your universe cannot exist without you being in it...if you weren't here, as far as you know, the universe would cease to exist because for you, it would cease to exist. Each of us has our own perception of reality in which we live...some of us are a little more...skewed...than others...but all in all i think you've got an interesting point...just remember that your universe has to coexist with my universe, and UT's Universe, and Smith_FAn's universe...and so on and so forth... If you are Insane how would you know that? Usually the person that is insane has no clue that he or she is Insane. Maybe the very fact that you can question you sanity at all makes you sane. Well, I think technically insanity is seeing stuff that happens only in your head and not in the real world, not so much about being different.
So yeah as far as we know we could all be insane. I don't know if there is anything more to add actually... :P
I remember getting the feeling everything was in my head when I was younger. Like grade 3/4 if I remember correctly. I just thought, what if people around me are just acting according to instructions, like in the Truman show, which I hadn't seen yet ny then, what if my parents don't have a real connection with me? Scary stuff to think of as a kid... but it helped me somehow when I saw movies like the Truman Show and The Matrix in that I realised that I'm not the only person who gets these feelings...
So, if we are insane, what should we do about it? ^We should have fun:) ........ So, if we are insane, what should we do about it?
All you have to do is dial a number and the nice men dressed in white will take care of the rest.
We're all a bit insane - Some more than others. Many of us talk to ourselves, but those that then answer themselves are more likely to be labeled insane. Everyone has probably had the urge to kill someone at some point in their life, but people who actually make that feeling a reality are deemed insane.
Perhaps what we dream at night is our reality, and the real world is our dream? Perhaps we'll wake up next week in a power plant after meeting a man name Morpheus? The fact that such ideas COULD be valid is what makes movies like the Matrix so great. However once you truly believe such ideas is when you cross the line into the more stereotypical insanity -- And a courtroom where you're on trial for killing someone because you thought you were in a Matrix.
Happy Friday all :D Originally posted by Helios
If you are Insane how would you know that? Usually the person that is insane has no clue that he or she is Insane. Maybe the very fact that you can question you sanity at all makes you sane.
That's not true, insane people can have brief moments of sanity, and realize their own sickness in that moment.
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" insane is the people that doens't have the intellegency to reach my degree of insanity." Insanity is a given definition by society. The 'sane' people know whether something is 'insane' or accetably 'sane'. So as Helios said, what if the 'insane' person believes they are 'sane'? Would that make him 'sane' or 'insane'? Is it because society has deemed what is 'sane' and 'insane'? Yes. I could be clinically insane right now, but feel and think perfectly 'sane'. The key word is clinically. Hey thank you all for posting on this thread, it feels so good to get positive replies. I appreciate that everyone is keeping an open mind about this. I really love it when people don’t restrict themselves to linear thinking. On that note I would like to applaud a few people who put things in perspective and had intellectual answers: Freeyourmind has a good point, SmithFan seems honest, and ThereIsNoMatrix is originally funny. Everyone who wrote were good contenders. I just would like to know how “freeyourmind” could have thought up those theories at such a young age, who raised you?! Ha-ha, just joking. I think were all a little messed up, I definitely am.
I want to know if anyone has more personal experiences? I guess I’ll interject my own personal phenomena, just to get it started.
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I have moved around a lot lately. My dad keeps traveling, because his job is demanding; this has forced me into new, uncomfortable schools. After a while the moving made me a pessimistic person and I gradually lost touch with the characteristics of a normal life. I was watching my life, and not living it.
I remember a day, at my fourth school in two years, when I was walking through the school quad area and it felt very surreal; life was in not interactive and I was viewing my life through a looking glass. The scene was set with idiotic teenagers, that were all rapped up in the minute details of a spoiled life; I looked as they kissed and hugged, giving high-fives because someone was going to a party and was going to get wasted. Girls were crying because the boyfriend that never loved them, are still not an image of their own perfection. Or someone got laid and the other just got fucked. I saw all the artificial happiness that was permeating through the school and breeding like rabbits. I wanted to reach out and touch the ones that were hurting or maybe just let them see how insignificant their problem was, and smack the ones that got what they didn’t disserve. I couldn’t do anything; I wasn’t in the position to take any action, so I kept watching everything move in slow motion, it was tearing at my perception.
After a few weeks I got friends, they weren’t top notch and they couldn’t help improve my life but at least I was on a track, even if it was the wrong one. Days past and emotions were on and off, well mine were mostly off; I had this numb like dead feeling, and I wasn’t depressed nor did I want to die but every was skewed. That is when voices started reverberating in my head, and I started on the path which my sister tells me is neurotic disorder and hypochondria.
At the moment I am fine, and don’t feel bad for me or take this too seriously, because I am past whatever I had and now I look at it as a temporary insanity. If anyone would like to comment or express their own situations, I think, it should be a lot easier now; I would say the ice is broken. Well...basically, Sanity is basically a matter of provable results. If I believe that an apple would drop when I release it and it does, then I'm sane. If I did, and the apple really started flying by itself, the whole world up to that point except for be mad. You can see how closely madness resembles faith, then. ;)
Sanity can also be described as 'Through the Looking Glass'. Y'know, what you believe in and know are shaped by how much pre-knowledge you have, what you have experienced before. It's pretty interesting therefore, when we note that a large number of 'insane' people are old ones. Heh heh.
Depression isn't insanity. I've had a bout of that before: when I was young and went to my first overseas holiday ever, to Melbourne, Australia. I lived one whole month away from stress and homework...it was like a paradise. When I came back I was in chronic depression...I'd cry sometimes without even feeling sad, or knowing that I was crying. Experience helps, as well as knowledge that the world is still spinning no matter what happens. Like I said; Through the Looking Glass. Originally posted by 01-rebel
Hey thank you all for posting on this thread, it feels so good to get positive replies. I appreciate that everyone is keeping an open mind about this. I really love it when people don’t restrict themselves to linear thinking. On that note I would like to applaud a few people who put things in perspective and had intellectual answers: Freeyourmind has a good point, SmithFan seems honest, and ThereIsNoMatrix is originally funny. Everyone who wrote were good contenders. I just would like to know how “freeyourmind” could have thought up those theories at such a young age, who raised you?! Ha-ha, just joking. I think were all a little messed up, I definitely am.
I want to know if anyone has more personal experiences? I guess I’ll interject my own personal phenomena, just to get it started.
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I have moved around a lot lately. My dad keeps traveling, because his job is demanding; this has forced me into new, uncomfortable schools. After a while the moving made me a pessimistic person and I gradually lost touch with the characteristics of a normal life. I was watching my life, and not living it.
I remember a day, at my fourth school in two years, when I was walking through the school quad area and it felt very surreal; life was in not interactive and I was viewing my life through a looking glass. The scene was set with idiotic teenagers, that were all rapped up in the minute details of a spoiled life; I looked as they kissed and hugged, giving high-fives because someone was going to a party and was going to get wasted. Girls were crying because the boyfriend that never loved them, are still not an image of their own perfection. Or someone got laid and the other just got fucked. I saw all the artificial happiness that was permeating through the school and breeding like rabbits. I wanted to reach out and touch the ones that were hurting or maybe just let them see how insignificant their problem was, and smack the ones that got what they didn’t disserve. I couldn’t do anything; I wasn’t in the position to take any action, so I kept watching everything move in slow motion, it was tearing at my perception.
After a few weeks I got friends, they weren’t top notch and they couldn’t help improve my life but at least I was on a track, even if it was the wrong one. Days past and emotions were on and off, well mine were mostly off; I had this numb like dead feeling, and I wasn’t depressed nor did I want to die but every was skewed. That is when voices started reverberating in my head, and I started on the path which my sister tells me is neurotic disorder and hypochondria.
At the moment I am fine, and don’t feel bad for me or take this too seriously, because I am past whatever I had and now I look at it as a temporary insanity. If anyone would like to comment or express their own situations, I think, it should be a lot easier now; I would say the ice is broken.
I can relate to your situation. As a child, I moved around with my mother quite a bit. We lived up and down the east coast until we finally settled in Cleveland where her family lives. Also, I am an only child. I say this because people like you and me who are somewhat uprooted for significant amounts of time early in life tend to be rather introverted. By this I mean that we tend to live "inside our heads" more than we engage the world around us. Without roots, we do not have much of a support system. We do not have a sense of identity and the world can feel very surreal. We must rely on ourselves to formulate who we think we are. We must rely on ourselves to draw our own strengths and resist our own weaknesses.
We live in a time of existentialism where many people let what is around them dictate who they are. The world around us cannot tell us who we are, in my opinion. But it can tell us where we come from and that, I have found, is very important. We need to be proactive and not reactive to the things around us. We may not be "real" etc, etc. We will never find these answers while alive here on earth. What is beyond death? We can't know. So what do we do? First, people like you and me have to learn to get out of our heads and live life. Attitude is the key. I am 27 years old and it took me a long time to learn the value of attitude and what it really means. I used to comtemplate insanity and reality blah, blah. I'm not saying that it isn't good to step outside the box and evaluate once and a while, but this has to be balanced with positive, forward-momentum, interaction with what is around us.
In my opinion, EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING IS CHAOS WAITING TO HAPPEN!!!!! Absolutely. Even the most consertative, do-gooder, religious, non-blasphemous, etc. type people have dark sides to their souls. No one fools me. But kudos to those of us that can choose to let our good side, out light side get the best of us rather than the dark. It is all choice. People that say, "I had no choice" our full of bull-pucky, whether they realize it or not. We choose our life. We choose our happiness, sadness, misery, insanity, etc. How do we have this seemingly powerful control over our lives? Simple answer: ATTITUDE. Which is based on our perception and that is why it is good to get out of our heads and just do some simple living. It's so easy. I know the smallest things make me happy.
There are still times when I feel depression coming, when I feel myself detatching and climbing into my head, so to speak. Life is not fun for me when this happens. If I can catch myself right at the beginning, and make a choice to do something that makes me feel alive and makes me feel good, then the worries of my mind don't seem that heavy. I find that doing something nice for other people is a sure way to snap myself out of it. Sounds cheesy but it really works. I never believed it until I tried it. Amazing! It could be something as simple as making my son laugh.
Anyway, I know how you feel. Sounds as if you are a teenager. Is this correct? In high school? If so, then I definitely know how you feel. My teenage years were some of the toughest for me. Things never felt real. I always had this "Life is a subjective dream, man" hippy-crap-notion towards life. Makes me laugh now when I think back.
Everything gets better if you can survive to the other side. :D why dont you just take a personality test? or get evaluted by a phycologist? http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv you can take your personality test there... Originally posted by SullenGiRLaFa
why dont you just take a personality test? or get evaluted by a phycologist? http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv you can take your personality test there...
Disorder | Rating
Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: Moderate
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: Moderate
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate Well, Well, Well!.........
Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Moderate
Schizotypal: Very
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: High
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: High
Dependent: High
Obsessive-Compulsive: High I did take the test, but I don't want to believe the results. I do agree that I have an off and on paranoia level, but I think that the test only tells you what you already think of yourself; taking such a bias test won't give me substantial evidence. My mom told me to go to a shrink, but she probably needs it more than I do. Just joking, though you can imagine how she might feel thinking she raised a schizoid. I think with support of my loved ones this will soon pass, whatever it might be.
I would like to disagree with Macleod, with what he said about faith. Faith is not maddness, faith is what has kept me alive, active faith at least. Active faith is knowing something is possible and then trying to find a practical route to get to your destination/ goal.
I don't believe in folly, which is probably the mistake you made; inverting the two, and thinking that faith is the same as folly. Folly is believing that you will get something with out putting in work; to sit on the couch and believe that your victory will come to you, without search or task. that is not faith. I think it is important to believe in something that makes you a better person. I had a friend that was a budhist, and even though I don't live my life by the same belief, I was glad that he found something to improve his life. I think we all have some faith, just some faith is greater than others and easier to recognize. It is easy to judge what you don't understand.
On a lighter note, I would like to thank Anomolaus for all the aided support. I am filled with joy to hear of others who have been down my path, and have pressed through to the other side, with a triumphant ending. I would like to know, though, "why you think I am in high school?" Is it because if I am not then my worries are looked upon as pathedic, because these should be adolesant issues, or that I write with a naive fashion?
I put in my first post, to this thread, that I don't really believe that I am insane and that I just think this is an interesting toppic, a toppic for the refined, intellectual, and non-linear thinkers.
Thank you all, for your posts. Hmmm......interesting.
Your Results:
Disorder Rating Information
Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: Low
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: Low
Dependent: High
Obsessive-Compulsive: Low
I am not dependent. Fuck that quiz. Everything else is pretty much right. Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Low
Schizotypal: Low
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: High
Narcissistic: High
Avoidant: Moderate
Dependent: High
Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate
Hmmm, well at least I'm not hearing voices. I really don't believe in these disorders though. Psychology is bull... Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: Low
Schizotypal: Low
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Low
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: Low
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate
LOL. I'm only a moderate narcissistic. I swore I would have gotten a high on that one at least. Oh well.. Disorder | Rating
Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: High
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: High
Dependent: High
Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate
Well, no surprises here. I know what are the serious problems in my life that I deperately need to fix, though I doubt they're as high as the results may suggest. But they only had yes and no questions... I'm not sure what schizotypal is. Any ideas people?
I'm not sure the above personality disorders are officially insanity. My understanding was that insanity was seeing things that weren't there. Yeah, you can never know for sure that you have the right vision of the world and another doesn't, but I'm pretty sure that people only get locked up and actually labeled "insane" (at least officially) is when their different view presents a problem to society or to themselves, so it does in fact make sense to lock them up. I'm not sure what my point is here but this argument was very confusing from the start...
01-rebel, what is it exactly you say happened during your difficult time? The surrealism and disconnectedness I can identify with from perhaps even a few months ago in my life. I don't think that comprises insanity, but the voices reverberating in the head sounds more weird. What voices? Are these conversations you had? Stuff that you imagined?
Anomolous, I don't think it's a good idea to run away from the serious question. Yeah, for a while you can ignore them and have a fun time, but one day they'll come back to haunt you, and looking the other way will not make them dissappear. It's hard for me to speak having not been intimately familiar with your situation, but I think that generally in life it is better to deal with big issues to the best of your ability while you still can. It can be too late afterwards - when you ignore problems they grow and get worse. Disorder | Rating
Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Low
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: Low
Avoidant: Low
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate
huh. would someone mind telling me what schiziod, schizotypa, histronic, and narcissistic mean?
well, i know i'm not insane now, but if my little sister doesn't stop being annoying with her recorder, i will be. ;) Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Moderate
Schizotypal: Low
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Low
Narcissistic: Low
Avoidant: Low
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: Low
lol last time i took this test i got high on moderate and everything else was low. and btw that quiz doesnt determine if you are what you got on the quiz (depending on high or low) b/c sometimes some questions arent answered w/ enough thought and the quiz was taken very quickly also only a physcology can determine if you really have one of more of the above personality disorders. Well...no one has beaten me. I gotta see a psychiatrist. :rolleyes:
I beg to disagree. Faith may not be madness, but I insist that the line between them is very thin. What separates a fervent religious man from a fanatic? The world's opinion. And that's a very mercurial thing. Originally posted by 01-rebel
I did take the test, but I don't want to believe the results. I do agree that I have an off and on paranoia level, but I think that the test only tells you what you already think of yourself; taking such a bias test won't give me substantial evidence. My mom told me to go to a shrink, but she probably needs it more than I do. Just joking, though you can imagine how she might feel thinking she raised a schizoid. I think with support of my loved ones this will soon pass, whatever it might be.
I would like to disagree with Macleod, with what he said about faith. Faith is not maddness, faith is what has kept me alive, active faith at least. Active faith is knowing something is possible and then trying to find a practical route to get to your destination/ goal.
I don't believe in folly, which is probably the mistake you made; inverting the two, and thinking that faith is the same as folly. Folly is believing that you will get something with out putting in work; to sit on the couch and believe that your victory will come to you, without search or task. that is not faith. I think it is important to believe in something that makes you a better person. I had a friend that was a budhist, and even though I don't live my life by the same belief, I was glad that he found something to improve his life. I think we all have some faith, just some faith is greater than others and easier to recognize. It is easy to judge what you don't understand.
On a lighter note, I would like to thank Anomolaus for all the aided support. I am filled with joy to hear of others who have been down my path, and have pressed through to the other side, with a triumphant ending. I would like to know, though, "why you think I am in high school?" Is it because if I am not then my worries are looked upon as pathedic, because these should be adolesant issues, or that I write with a naive fashion?
I put in my first post, to this thread, that I don't really believe that I am insane and that I just think this is an interesting toppic, a toppic for the refined, intellectual, and non-linear thinkers.
Thank you all, for your posts.
Oh no no. I don't think these issues are restricted to the adolescent years and I certainly don't think one would be pathetic for facing such issues. I was just taking a guess. I think it is the way you write. Although, I have read some of your other posts and they have a different feel to them. I was just taking a stab at a first impression. As I said, I am 27. And, while I have found answers to many questions already, I am still on a quest for self-improvement. It wasn't until I married and had a child that I was really motivated to examine myself and make changes. My son, especially, makes me want to be a better man so that he can learn from me what it is to be a good man and, overall, a good human being. So, I hope I did not offend you in anyway by "shooting from the hip" about your possible age. I probably should have left that out. It wasn't relevant.
FreeYourMind:
"Anomolous, I don't think it's a good idea to run away from the serious question. Yeah, for a while you can ignore them and have a fun time, but one day they'll come back to haunt you, and looking the other way will not make them dissappear. It's hard for me to speak having not been intimately familiar with your situation, but I think that generally in life it is better to deal with big issues to the best of your ability while you still can. It can be too late afterwards - when you ignore problems they grow and get worse."
I agree with you. I don't mean that one should run away. Some solutions are not found overnight. While working on a serious problem, life must go on. My point is that when the symptoms of our problems threaten to get us down, we must do what we can to keep our heads above water until we can find a permanent solution. For instance, at times I feel depression coming on, I don't want everyone around me to be negatively affected by MY mood, so I will choose to do something to snap myself out of it. Sometimes we have to put on a happy face and deal with reality regardless of how we feel. But, I agree that denial and avoidance are not solutions to anything. Well, to answer freeyourmind, they were voices that derived from previous conversations. Things that stuck in my head, and would echo for minutes. I would speak to my newly found friends, and in between toppics I could swear that I heard them repeat themselves. Then I would ask them the rediculous question, and they would shake their heads in confusion.
I could start up a conversation, make comments, interpret comments, then hear my mind's voice emmulating their voices, and in mental messages they were remarking random, illogical assertions. They speaking in half sentences;"hey you know that guy, I then walked here, but I hate that movie". I would have to look to make sure what they were really saying was not what I was hearing.
I would announce certain highs and lows, the conspicuous side of my life. My voice would echo, slightly change, reverberate, then slightly change, it would repeat this pattern for a while; my mind contemplating what I really said. After half a minute a hello could change into goodbye. I then would wonder why I, seemingly, greeted them with a goodbye.
I think it is a mix of paranoia and obsessive compulsive disorder. It is hard to explain, but I hope I made my experience more comprehensible. Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: Low
Schizotypal: Low click for info
Antisocial:
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: Very High
Avoidant: Low
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate
hmm ... Paranoid: this is a conspiracy question, isn't it?
Schizoid: Who said that !?!
Schizotypal: don't know how to type schizo?!
Antisocial: IM NOT ANTISOCIAL, GET IT?
Borderline: isn't that a Madonna music?
Histrionic: I'm not even going to try to translate this...
Narcissistic: Only in my Universe
Avoidant: i don't avoid ants ?!
Dependent: I'm need a dose to answer this
Obsessive-Compulsive: wayhtr do yopu mena?=
By the way, can someone tell me the way to the train station?
:D :D :D :D :D Originally posted by Oraclitect
Paranoid: this is a conspiracy question, isn't it?
Schizoid: Who said that !?!
Schizotypal: don't know how to type schizo?!
Antisocial: IM NOT ANTISOCIAL, GET IT?
Borderline: isn't that a Madonna music?
Histrionic: I'm not even going to try to translate this...
Narcissistic: Only in my Universe
Avoidant: i don't avoid ants ?!
Dependent: I'm need a dose to answer this
Obsessive-Compulsive: wayhtr do yopu mena?=
By the way, can someone tell me the way to the train station?
:D :D :D :D :D
um okay.. you didnt even take the quiz did you? thanks for wasting our lives why your questions. Originally posted by SullenGiRLaFa
um okay.. you didnt even take the quiz did you? thanks for wasting our lives why your questions.
Sense of humor, heard of it?
I was in a good mood, so sue me.
Anyway, if you didn't understand the irony of the answers, is because we don't share the same sense of humor, so don't mind.
The questions were because, i'm from Portugal, and i could not translate some words, so i made fun with them... twisted them the other way around
By the way, Kornflakes anyone?
:D :D :D :D :D
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