World Peace

Just a simple question, does anyone think that at any point countries would have peace between them, like not to the point where they get along as friends, but just where they back off from each other and stop wars,conflicts and occupations...

I personally think it will never happen.........

Define world peace. If with world peace you mean acceptance of human rights all over the 'world', than I believe we will have world peace.

If with world peace you mean that each and every person on this globe is in agreement with each other, and will never get into a single fight, than yes, it will never happen. We are animals, our instincts drive us into territorial habits (if you are leaving your parking space, and someone is waiting for you to leave, so he can park it there, do you hurry up, or take your time?), and we will always compete over properties.

Personally, I see world peace as the first. I think world peace will be a logical result from the creation of a Utopia, and that eventually the remainder of makind will form one United Nation, if we survive that long :).

Mr U

It would probably take quite a while until every people in the world are satisfied with their situation, but even if it does take a million years I think the time will come. A long time from now society would no doubt undergo drastic changes. Whether these changes will be for better of for worse depends on what we do, but I'm optimistic. Plus since I'm religious I can cheat and say God's on our side :D It will happen, even if not in our lifetimes.

World Peace is so overrated, its not even funny. Just as HU said, humans are animals, and we will never change. Maybe in a million and one years.

And I know I have Imagine in my sig, but I only picked the part that is open for interpretation. So don't go on about it.

"If man does find the solution for world peace it will be the most revolutionary reversal of his record we have ever known."

George C. Marshall (1880 - 1959)

Originally posted by NMN
World Peace is so overrated, its not even funny. Just as HU said, humans are animals, and we will never change. Maybe in a million and one years.

And I know I have Imagine in my sig, but I only picked the part that is open for interpretation. So don't go on about it.
Okay, so it'll take a while to have complete world peace. But with an attitude like that not even the smallest changes can take place... Just imagine my man... and believe me I have more reason to be pessimistic than you do. But pessimist isn't healthy...

Its more like pessimistic optimism. You get the the picture.

As in life is shit but I'm happy cos I don't care?

Pretty much. It like the life philosophy, Whaddyagonnado?

Yeah... let's go bowling!

No Bowling!! Just respond to the topic!!:D .....

Not a fucking chance...waffles! We must all have waffles!

***NMN EDIT: Hey come now DPD, none of this, please. Stay on topic.

I was saying that there isn't a chance for world peace, but there was a chance for everyone to have waffles, and that waffles are vital if there ever was to be a shot at world peace. Pass the syrup.

Same goes for bowling.

Originally posted by DPD
I was saying that there isn't a chance for world peace, but there was a chance for everyone to have waffles, and that waffles are vital if there ever was to be a shot at world peace. Pass the syrup.

Ok, my mistake. I thought you were replying to what Archie said about staying on topic. ;)

Originally posted by DPD
I was saying that there isn't a chance for world peace, but there was a chance for everyone to have waffles, and that waffles are vital if there ever was to be a shot at world peace. Pass the syrup.

Yeah, but what if there then became a waffle shortage and certain countries started hoarding waffles in big warehouses, thus causing the general shortage and a rise in the price of waffles that then led to a waffle war between the countries that had waffles, the countries that had waffles but wanted more, the countries that had waffles but priced them too high, the countries who supplied the waflles, the countries that had no waffles but thought they too deserved the right to have waffles like everybody else, the countries that had waffles, but no syrup, the countries that had syrup, but no waffles AND the poor, poor, poor countries who had neither waffles or syrup, but no-one cared about them anyway because they didn't have anything that the other countries wanted, so what would be the point in helping them? HMMM? DID YOU THINK OF THAT? HMMMM?

Of course world peace will never happen unless aliens attack... Seriously, there's just too many differences and people will always be scared or angered by what they don't understand about other cultures. Unless aliens attack us all.

to paraphrase jack handey, "i hope aliens come and conquer earth and make humans their pets, because i wouldn't mind having one of those little beds with my name on it."

OBLh: I supposed you have a point, but that wouldn't ever happen, would it? I mean, it hasn't happened with OIL or anything like that so what would make you think it would happen with waffles. Maybe top ramen is the solution. It could be provided to everyone at low-cost and, if maintained properly, we could probably produce enough grain to make it forever...hmmmm. We could exploit the people with no waffles or syrup and they could work in syrup production, and some in making waffle mix. Damn, aren't we innovative....

my opinion is that the world will never see peace as long as there is a republician is office.

There will never be complete world peace, there will always be war and peaople killing each other... That`s just how it is.

OBLh: I supposed you have a point, but that wouldn't ever happen, would it? I mean, it hasn't happened with OIL or anything like that so what would make you think it would happen with waffles.

Sarcasm will bring you to the gates of Heaven, young Lion!

And the gates are as far as I'll ever get...

"I was born on the coldest day of the year March 11, and God already told me I ain't puttin' a foot up in heaven." - Andre Nickatina :: Fa Show

Maybe...maybe...
For now, although i prefer peace, but there will always be assh0le$ around and spoil the peace. Nature had create man in such a way 'the fittest survive', well man is created biologically to destroy themselves, eventually. Jealousy, Greed, Lust blah blah, hence no world peace.
But maybe one day man can overcome this weakness within us and world peace is guarrenteed.

Only with Jesus, though.
No discussion, please, I'm just saying what I believe.

Free Your Minds.

-neoizcool

Frirst you should all ask your selves this question "do I want to be free, do I want peace, and if so how do we have perfect freedom and perfect peace in one exsistance?" do we want peace or freedom. I mean come on people this is the hot topic of the last 6000 years, we should make up our damn minds already and do something about it. Perfect peace is possible with perfcet freedom, if we as Human beings just try to work together and put aside our differences no matter what God we pray to our what color our skin is or what peice of cloth we stand under to represent our so called nation.

Peace is a mater of choice, as to accept it's presense in our world or not and we can have freedom as well with that peace.

People would say "its not that easy we cant just stop like that and have peace." Well I say to those people that peace does not exsist in this world b/c of persons just like you with your cynical values. You must first aceppt the possibility that peace may exsist, inorder for it to be placed on the table for negotiations.

The bottom line is that we will never have peace so as long as there are people who say it is not possible. Those people who speak of the impossiblity of a perfect world, truly deep inside them selves do not want peace and most likely subconsuosly would rather see WAR rampage our planet.

In order to have WORLD PEACE we must first accept inside our selves, inside our souls, that peace is possible and that it is even easyer to obtain than we ever thought.

"The character of a person is the SUM of all there thoughts."

So please take it within yourself to first Beleive that peace is possible and that this world is truely a beautiful place. And the power of the ONE will over come the many.

So be it.

Yeah, but what if there then became a waffle shortage and certain countries started hoarding waffles in big warehouses, thus causing the general shortage and a rise in the price of waffles that then led to a waffle war between the countries that had waffles, the countries that had waffles but wanted more, the countries that had waffles but priced them too high, the countries who supplied the waflles, the countries that had no waffles but thought they too deserved the right to have waffles like everybody else, the countries that had waffles, but no syrup, the countries that had syrup, but no waffles AND the poor, poor, poor countries who had neither waffles or syrup, but no-one cared about them anyway because they didn't have anything that the other countries wanted, so what would be the point in helping them? HMMM? DID YOU THINK OF THAT? HMMMM?

:D I think this sums up the question of world peace quite cleverly. There will always be something to antagonize conflict between human beings. I am hopeful that humankind can find a level of peace, but I am realistic at the same time. Peace is a matter of choice, but sometimes an individual, a nation, or a society does not have the choice. There are times when one must fight the good fight. No one wants to, but it is "kill or be killed" out there in the world, and I mean that literally and metaphorically. For example, someone cuts in front of you in a line you have been in for an hour.............what do you do? Speak up? Screw it? "kill or be killed" OR............someone is breaking into your home threatening the safety of your family..........what do you do? Kill the intruder? Run and leave the family behind? Call the police while the intruder approaches closer to your loved ones?.........."kill or be killed" In my opinion, there is not much one can do to fight evil except to live as an example of what a good person is. To me, this is the only offense good human beings have. Everything else is strictly defensive measures against those that would seek to impose upon us. It is not pessimistic to recognize that there will always be individuals whose ideology can be construed as evil. Humans define themselves through conflict and we attain our wisdom through suffering. Surely we could dilute the barbarianism that prevails within the characteristics of our nature, but we can't eliminate it simply through will. Humans must pass through a fundamentally evolutional metamorphosis in order for our facets of thinking to change. Will we think of the future now? Possibly........in a limited scope. Most likely we will all be dead by the time any effects of the choices we make are felt. And, I am pretty sure that the dead give less than a shit about the living. Present day interests are looked after because that is where the effects of choice are most felt. At present, we are not ready for peace. The good human beings cannot afford to let down their guard right now.

Well said Anomolous I agree. sometimes it is nessasary to Kill or be Killed. but those who first kill are the ones who first do not beleive in peace. just because death and killing exsist does not mean that peace can not. in america there are over 11,000 murders every year. does that sound peaceful? But I do not speak of some false form of peace representing a vail over our eyes. you said "the good human beings cannot afford to let down their guard right now" what does that mean that we can't put our guard down until there is PEACE to where we feel safe enough to do so.

That is exsactly my point one must stand down first in order for the other to feel safe to let down there guard. Only the greater Man would put there life on the line for the good of the many. One side must first concede to the other before peace may be obtained.

I don't think that they're ever be peace in the world as long as either:
1) this world exists
2) there is some kind of great thing that happens that unites whats left of mankind together (seriously, some kind of alien landing that tries to wipe up out, think Independence Day)

As long as there are two people standing on the planet that don't agree with each other, there will never be peace. I guess that's a sad way to look at it, but look at Israel. The Israelis and Palestinians have been fighting for a thousand years about the same thing.

I don't think that they're ever be peace in the world as long as either:
1) this world exists
2) there is some kind of great thing that happens that unites whats left of mankind together (seriously, some kind of alien landing that tries to wipe up out, think Independence Day)

As long as there are two people standing on the planet that don't agree with each other, there will never be peace. I guess that's a sad way to look at it, but look at Israel. The Israelis and Palestinians have been fighting for a thousand years about the same thing.


You are completly correct.

So as long as we humans have differences we will never live in peace with one another. For that is what you said. If aliens attack us then we will have to put our differences aside and work together to fight them off. Because I'm sure the aliens would not be forcing us to like each other. we would have to choose to like each other. We must first beleive in our selves, have faith in man kind or else we will all ways fail by accepting a truth which we do not have to have.

Every thing begins with choice. Now will we choose to be free and live in peace, or wait till some alien race decides to force us to have to like each other.

First we as humans as people should decide on a personal level to accept the idea of peace in our heart. We must not doubt that peace is possible at this moment or else we will never be able to have it. DO YOU WANT PEACE?

Do not be blinded by the illusions of WAR. There are two choices we can make concerning this issue (1) have war or (2) Live in peace. Dont you beleive that if we knew what peace felt like we would stay in it and never fight; for that is what the word implies to live in peace is to live in a state of no war. We as humans have just now over the course of 1000's of years have just now begun to have a taste of what peace might feel like. We just have to choose to do so and it is done; we make our own FATE.

What I say goes for every one on the planet. On a personal level we should all say to our selves "Do I want peace and do I believe it is possible?" say it and really think about it.

If you do not BELIEVE that peace is possible then you are for WAR, no ecceptions. Every thing begins with choice, but you must first believe in that choice.
Please think about that.

Peace is not as simple as getting everyone to agree that they want peace. The problem stems deeper than that, and Anamolous hit the nail right on the head: We have to evolve as a species if it's ever going to work out. Hobbes bluntly stated that it is human nature to strive to decrease pain and increase pleasure. That means that I don't want you bashing me on the head, because it causes me harm. It also means that I want money, power, and to be on top, because that is the means of gaining pleasure. Therefore, we may all agree that peace will bring us pleasure, but due to the way our society is set up and our infinite wants in a finite environment, true peace will never be fully attained. As long as we have different social classes, there will inevitably be conflicts. The poor may be in peace, but they will not be happy, for they do not enjoy the luxuries of the upper class. Since this is 'painful,' they will do whatever they can in order to increase their pleasure.

Realistically speaking, as I see it, there's only two options available. Firstly, we can wait thousands of years for mankind to evolve into a being that can accept communism as a form of government. Thousands of years is a bit too long of a wait if you ask me, though.

Therefore, we go to plan B. Space exploration. The universe is so large that it's resources can be considered infinite, compared to the scale humans have here on earth. Firstly, getting to space will be such a large financial undertaking that it will require nations to unite and share the expenses - and riches that will be gained. With an infinite amount of resources available, poverty is widely diminished. People live happier. Once third-world countries finally gain the benefits of an industrial society. Seeing as how nearly every major war that has been fought in the last century or so is fundamentally rooted in economics, the main source of conflict is removed. Hence, true peace is obtained (or, at least it will be as peaceful as it can get).

I only repeat what Great individuals in the past believed. People like Mahatma Gandhi, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna from the Bhagavad-Gita, and more than just religious figure heads. People like Thoreau, Emerson, Eliot, Mother Teresa,
Albert Einstein, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, all the great Presidents and many leaders from the past. If such values can be held by all the religions of Earth and Great people like the ones I listed, not to mention the 1000's of others I have not named, then how can any one ever challenge these words.

No it is not as easy as just saying the words. Actions must accompany the words and most of all YOU MUST BELIEVE in the words. People who doubt peace is possible, people who say words like "peace can not be obtained unless we do this" ARE first for war before peace.

I will say it again Everything begins with choice and we must first believe in that choice. You say "how can their be peace if someone is trying to kill me, should I not defend my self." NO you should not defend your self, b/c in order for there to be peace one side must first lay down there weapon and put them selfs at the complet mercy of thier enemies. You will say "that is crazy to put your life in the hands of your enemies" but just try to understand that I speak of peace right now if just one person trys to overcome thier ego and lay down thier tool of desruction and the rest of the world will follow. The world truly wants peace they just do not understand how. One side must first lose and concede. Do not say that this is impossible b/c then you just opened the door for failure once again.
Yes those who do not resist the enemy may be killed, but try to understand that this is the only way. No alien race is going to come out of the sky and we are not going to evolve to a higher life form in the next 100,000 years.

We have to try NOW. Do not think that it is impossoble or that it will never happen b/c then you fall pray to negitive powers trying to bring us down.

Try to look at the greater good. People will have to die inorder to have peace. That is just the way it is.

I only repeat what Great individuals in the past believed.

As do I. You're stuff is super - yay to everyone being a good samaritan and whatnot, but I was addressing the practicality of the situation. If I hit you hard, there is no doubt that you would feel compelled to do the same to me. And if I hit you enough, you'd strike back. Sooner or later.

That seems to be the paradox we face. We are on a Matrix to do website though, so would it not benifit us all if we just broke the rules of engagement and decide not to accept what this world has raised us to believe; that we live in a world with war which can not be changed. But I dont Believe that, and I choose not to believe I live in a world where peace can not be obtained with out some divine intervention.

you say "If I hit you hard, there is no doubt that you would feel compelled to do the same to me. And if I hit you enough, you'd strike back. Sooner or later." and that is what I am talking against. I see your logic and it makes perfect sense and of course we should protect ourselves but I am just speaking against organized warfare were both sides believe they are fighting and dying for some greater good. But in reality they are both for good in someway just the other side can not accept that, and so inorder to have peace one side must first lose and concede to the other as for the profit of the greater good which is world peace. yes; there are times when war can be right, like in World War Two, but do you know what would have happend if the Nazis had won. There would be world peace today for they would have gone on to control the rest of the world and cause a one nation earth. It would have been a perverted form of world peace with no freedom but world peace. I am a Jew and personaly I am glad they lost. The true point here is we as humans on this planet can live in peace if we just respect others rights to believe what they want, as long as they are not just killing people for no good reason.I say we should believe that peace is possible and I just got done saying we should respect others beliefs but when we go and believe that peace is not possible then we make it impossible.

The people who do not believe in peace prevent peace from being possible. They believe in order to have peace you must kill every one who does not agree with one way: Ex: Israel and Palestine they both feel that the other is wrong and the only way to solve their problem is to kill the other. Israel should just pull out completly and Palestine should give respect to Jews and allow them to go see the holy land.

And that is the big paradox we face.

You're contradicting yourself... At one point you say we should give up and succumb to the will of our foes, yet later you say that we should protect ourselves. Though I now realize you're speaking of the larger sense, on an international level, the example still applies. If the U.S. were to slap France across the face in some way, France would respond in kind, with violence, in order to protect it's well-being. Should France succumb to the will of the U.S. (which they probably would, heh)? No. Peace would be established, but people would NOT be happy, and unhappy people leads to revolutions. This would be true in all situations where one side gives up hope and admits defeat before the first bullet is fired.

I'm tired here, so maybe I'm reading you wrong. Are you saying that people don't want peace, and that is why peace is impossible? If so, you must re-examine the cause of war and such conflicts in the first place... Which, as I said, is, ultimately, an issue of economics. And, as I also said, to remove the cause of violence is to establish peace. The only feasible way as of now to remove economic conflict is through expanding our resources, through space exploration.

Bed time.

This exact discussion is why my vote was registered for there not being peace. Perhaps, eventually, which would be wonderful. Someone mentioned a threat concerning the entire human race could unify us on a global scale, but there would not be world peace because war would still be going on that would be harmful to the planet. Also, with all of the current governments in place today, I'm sure there would be plenty of disagreement and possibly even conflict over how to deal with any threat to the whole race, and if humans came out victorious, there would be conflict following the victory about land, money, resources. In short, I think business would return to usual within 20 years of any such conflict. Just thinking what I perceive to be realistically.

Yes; world peace will not be easy, or does it have to be hard. I just believe that we make peace seem like an impossibility and if we try just try then maybe we can have peace if we believe.

But first we must start on a personal level with our selves.
Everything begins with choice, and we must choose to believe that peace is possible or else it will never happen.

First of all, Muhammed should not be mentioned in the same list as Buddha and Gandhi. Muhammed was a bad person.

Second, war is good for governmental business. If you rule a country without an enemy to protect your people from, people will start wondering why they need you. People will start seeing that schools, wellfare, infrastructure, police are hardly worth paying so much taxes for if much of it goes to bureaus like the FBI/CIA or the military or even electoral campaigns.

If there is world peace, the greatest duty of government, to protect, will completely vanish. It is not a miracle that schools, wellfare, infrastructure and the police in western cultures are doing so damn poorly. If schools would actually work properly, of wellfare would actually work properlt, if infrastructure would actually work properly, and if the police would work properly, there would be no need for the government.

Now, although this may sound appealing to people like Chomsky, this is hardly appealing to anyone making money out of the government. Now, these are not just companies who supply nukes and rockets. These are also companies that are protected by the government from the citizens. An example can be seen every day in Washington if you walk into the places where Congressmembers lobby together with major corporations.

Governments are a vicious cycle. They exist to exist.

Mr U

Well said Anomolous I agree. sometimes it is nessasary to Kill or be Killed. but those who first kill are the ones who first do not beleive in peace. just because death and killing exsist does not mean that peace can not. in america there are over 11,000 murders every year. does that sound peaceful? But I do not speak of some false form of peace representing a vail over our eyes. you said "the good human beings cannot afford to let down their guard right now" what does that mean that we can't put our guard down until there is PEACE to where we feel safe enough to do so.

That is exsactly my point one must stand down first in order for the other to feel safe to let down there guard. Only the greater Man would put there life on the line for the good of the many. One side must first concede to the other before peace may be obtained.

The first to concede will be destroyed. This is the reality of the world we live in. Are YOU willing to take the risk of "standing down" in the hopes that those who oppose you will do the same? Not me. I have too much to live for. Your intentions are noble, but you are idealistic to the point of being unrealistic.

The first to concede will be destroyed. This is the reality of the world we live in. Are YOU willing to take the risk of "standing down" in the hopes that those who oppose you will do the same? Not me. I have too much to live for. Your intentions are noble, but you are idealistic to the point of being unrealistic.

Christ stood down and was crucified, his enemies, or those who opposed and did not beleive in what he stood for, killed him.
look at what Christianity has now become; the good part of Christianity.
He died for something; maybe it was peace, what ever it was he asked that we may believe and become free.

Yeah, but he was also the son of God, and you could see the human aspect of him as he intensely prayed so he wouldn't have to go through with the crucifixion; an aspect that's much more prevalent in you and me.

Christ stood down and was crucified, his enemies, or those who opposed and did not beleive in what he stood for, killed him.
look at what Christianity has now become; the good part of Christianity.
He died for something; maybe it was peace, what ever it was he asked that we may believe and become free.

I will never compare my actions to Jesus Christ's. He died for me and for my sins even if my sin is to commit murder in order to protect my family or my home or both. It is not the act; it is the intentions behind it; it is what is in your heart. God can see me for who I am and I trust His judgement. In the meantime, I must live in the world that is around me and that world requires a person to fight at least ONCE in life. I will not orphan my son or turn my wife into a widow in the name of good intentions and passiveness. "Good" deserves to be fought for. Even Gandhi "fought" for "good".............he didn't throw a punch or use a weapon, but he stood up against "evil". ChalfantMT, if you are a pacifist then that is your choice. To me, that is an extreme position that will get you nowhere. Jesus martyred himself so the rest of us wouldn't have to. This is why I love Him so much.

I am not a pacifist, and yes there is good in this world and it is worth fighting for but what are we fighting for when it comes to modern war; to save our familys from terrorists, perhaps. we are talking about War not some burgler who broke into your house. yes save your wife save your family and protect them by any means. I am not say though that if a nation is thretend it should do nougthing to protect its self. I am saying that we as humans should try to believe that peace is possible and that standing down from a fight is just part of it. we must also then try to love our neighbor. what would you do if someone you loved threatend the lives of your children and you stood between them someone like your mom or you wife, what would you do then. yes protect your children of course but could you kill to do it if you had to. its just a big pardox ( world peace ), what can we do, but we must try to have peace with our neighbors our brothers as humans on earth. I am not a pacifist, I would fight and die for my country as well, but I would crucify myself if I thought it would bring world peace. Anomolous what do you want? do you want world peace, then maybe people like you and me should stop debating about it and try to come up with some way to have it. I just say the first step towards world peace is believing it is possible and showing it by loving your fellow man and putting them before yourself by submiting to them. This world this life here is not important it is are actions and choces that count for we only live here for a few years after that eternity.

Blessed are the peace makers for they will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

This isn't some real estate deal over who will actually make it into the pearly gates, and whovever is wrong will head on down to the 'other place', is it?

@ ChalfantMT. How far would you personally go to protect the meek, the helpless, the hungry?

Oh and blessed are the meek, for aparantly they are suppose to inherit the earth. I wonder who got the better deal out of that one?

"Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be,
For my unconquerable soul".

I am not a pacifist, and yes there is good in this world and it is worth fighting for but what are we fighting for when it comes to modern war; to save our familys from terrorists, perhaps. we are talking about War not some burgler who broke into your house. yes save your wife save your family and protect them by any means. I am not say though that if a nation is thretend it should do nougthing to protect its self. I am saying that we as humans should try to believe that peace is possible and that standing down from a fight is just part of it. we must also then try to love our neighbor. what would you do if someone you loved threatend the lives of your children and you stood between them someone like your mom or you wife, what would you do then. yes protect your children of course but could you kill to do it if you had to. its just a big pardox ( world peace ), what can we do, but we must try to have peace with our neighbors our brothers as humans on earth. I am not a pacifist, I would fight and die for my country as well, but I would crucify myself if I thought it would bring world peace. Anomolous what do you want? do you want world peace, then maybe people like you and me should stop debating about it and try to come up with some way to have it. I just say the first step towards world peace is believing it is possible and showing it by loving your fellow man and putting them before yourself by submiting to them. This world this life here is not important it is are actions and choces that count for we only live here for a few years after that eternity.

Blessed are the peace makers for they will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

ChalfantMT, you are just too extreme for me. If someone I loved threatened to kill my children, you better believe I would kill them first. It is not that difficult of a choice. You obviously don't have kids. If you do, then you scare me. Listen, I don't agree with our foreign policy in Iraq. This is not what I am talking about. Here's a newsflash: the good people in this world WANT peace. BUT, there is no easy solution to achieve it. Why? Because there will always be disagreement.........there will never be a utopian way of thinking among ALL human beings......... there will always be individuals who believe that best way to achieve their goals is through "evil" means.
Look, you are preaching to the wrong crowd. It is the "evil" ones you need to say all these things to, not the good ones who want world peace but are realistic enough to know that world peace is just too idealistic for the world we live in right now. As for all your religious incantations, you're creeping me out. Let's just agree to disagree and let each other alone. I didn't really intend to get into a debate over something like this. Later.... :(

Wow! Am I reading all of this right? I didn't know that the world had become so cynical. Do any of you believe that there are enough good people in the world for peace to be possible?

Also, Anomolous, calling ChalfantMT's religious ideas "incantations" is rather close-minded of you. Not to mention the stigma surrounding incantations. His posts (although rambling at times) hold a multitude of merit. The true way to peace is through the love of your fellow man. You have to accept people as they are and learn to live together in harmony; not fear. I would like to pose the question: If you love Jesus so much, Anomolous, then how could you not believe that peace is possible?

"Peace, I leave with you My peace I give you... Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." -- Jesus Christ

Just try to believe in peace. I am not trying to change the way you think or believe. I just believe that peace can not be possible unless we as humans on Earth believe in it first. I feel that it is my duty as someone who believes in peace, and that peace is possible, to spreed this message to others; in hope that others might try to beleive in peace, and make it a reality by working toward it.

"If you want peace you must prepare for war"

A common paradox

"niggas always be hollerin peace, know what i'm sayin, peace my brotha, peace this, peace that, know what i'm sayin,
but every time i try to get a peace of mind, niggas try to get a piece of mine, so i gotta grab my piece"

- Andre Benjamin

If you love Jesus so much, Anomolous, then how could you not believe that peace is possible?

"Peace, I leave with you My peace I give you... Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." -- Jesus Christ

My love for Jesus has nothing to do with whether I think world peace is attainable. The fact that you'd pose this question to me shows you do not understand what I am trying to say. As I said before to ChalfantMT, let's just agree to disagree with this topic.

I use the word "incantation" because certain individuals like to recite scripture in order to produce an end result: a persuasion, revelation, a highlighted personal principle. For instance, you left me with a quote from Jesus. Why? I know what Jesus did for us. My heart is not troubled nor afraid. If you think I needed to hear this based on what you read in my posts, then you are gravely mistaken.

The beauty of the Bible is that it is a book of interpretation specific to each individual. Jesus's words may mean something different to you than to me. Instead of using scripture as ammunition in a debate, why not simply explain how it relates to you personally in order to accentuate your thoughts, ideas, and feelings about this topic. Because, that is how scripture is beautiful. It is consistent with living as an example of what a "good" person is. Jesus advocated "living as an example" in his teachings and this is a point I tried to make with ChalfantMT in an earlier post. I am not cynical. I am realistic. This is the fundamental difference between people like me and people like you, in my opinion.

I believe in peace. BUT, I will stand down when threatened only if it is possible. AND, I will fight only when absolutely necessary. I will NOT "crucify" myself, as ChalfantMT so eerily stated, in the interest of world peace. To me, an action like that would be a paradox. Jesus crucified himself so we wouldn't have to. He knew we would sin. He knew we would not be perfect. He made sure God forgave us for our fallacies.

Anyway, it ironical that we discuss religion as a catalyst for world peace when religion has been an instrument of war for thousands of years. People use religion for the wrong reasons..........ammunition.........incantations.................whatever! :o

Just try to believe in peace. I am not trying to change the way you think or believe. I just believe that peace can not be possible unless we as humans on Earth believe in it first. I feel that it is my duty as someone who believes in peace, and that peace is possible, to spreed this message to others; in hope that others might try to beleive in peace, and make it a reality by working toward it.


Just try to understand that I do believe in peace. This is not what I am debating with you about. As for the rest of your comments here, I can respect your feelings and the beliefs you are obliged to advocate for. Believe me, the day I see no threats is the day I let down my proverbial guard.

Sorry for the double post, y'all!

OK: what should people like us, who believe in peace, do to obtain it in the world theater? It will be the common folk that you see everywhere, people like us, that will bring peace on earth not the presidents or leaders of earth. So we should still try to do something; what should we do?
If we are still talking about Jesus; he would expect that much out of us, to try to bring peace. thier are people who try, but everyone who believes in peace should try. If every one on earth tried to bring peace, that believed in peace, then we will have World peace. Earlyer we agreed that every human being naturally believes in peace so then would it not be everyone who tried.

So what should we do?

Yes but not everyone chooses to believe that there can be peace, so without that consensus among everyone, there will be no peace. As the architect so eloquently puts it: the problem is choice.

OK: what should people like us, who believe in peace, do to obtain it in the world theater? It will be the common folk that you see everywhere, people like us, that will bring peace on earth not the presidents or leaders of earth. So we should still try to do something; what should we do?
If we are still talking about Jesus; he would expect that much out of us, to try to bring peace. thier are people who try, but everyone who believes in peace should try. If every one on earth tried to bring peace, that believed in peace, then we will have World peace. Earlyer we agreed that every human being naturally believes in peace so then would it not be everyone who tried.

So what should we do?

I agree with you ChalfantMT. I told you what we should do. Live as an example of what a "good" person is. Don't "crucify" yourself and don't expect to change other people's minds at the drop of a hat. Just do what you are doing by expressing your views and living as an example of what a peace-loving person is. Based on what others see in you, they will still have to make their OWN choices and as I pointed out, there will always be someone who makes a "wrong", "evil", "bad", "different" etc. choice. And those of us who make presumably better choices have to be on guard against the ones who don't. I put the words above in quotes because they carry different connotations for each individual who interprets them. This is also why utopian world peace as you would seem to define it is unrealistic.

Yes but not everyone chooses to believe that there can be peace, so without that consensus among everyone, there will be no peace. As the architect so eloquently puts it: the problem is choice.

You are perfectly correct and thus the Anomaly reveals its self as both begining and end.

that is what I have been trying to explain to Anomolous
that we have to believe in peace first, all of us. I just wish people would try. :cry: We can do it if we try. I do believe that the people for peace out number the people against it. That is one war I would fight for, die for.

You are perfectly correct and thus the Anomaly reveals its self as both begining and end.

that is what I have been trying to explain to Anomolous
that we have to believe in peace first, all of us. I just wish people would try. :cry: We can do it if we try. I do believe that the people for peace out number the people against it. That is one war I would fight for, die for.

Lol, it appears to me that Anomolous was arguing that point to you, but whatever floats yer boat.

Lol, it appears to me that Anomolous was arguing that point to you, but whatever floats yer boat.

Anomolous does not believe peace is possible. Anomolous believes in peace or for peace just does not believe that it is possible. that is what I got from it.

Right right, believe in peace and utopian society, here we come; You've been saying the same thing over and over again in each post, dude. There's no getting past your optimism, so there's no real point in going on about it all.

Well Anomolous, apparently I struck a nerve with my last post.
I didn't write that with the intention of provoking you. I was merely bringing to light the fact that you mention your love for the Lord in several of your posts, yet you do not believe in the possibility of world peace.

The quote that I used, I used for a reason. It was not meant specifically for you, Anomolous. Salvation through love is the only way that we will be able to attain world peace. There are several types of love and the type that will be our saving grace is the love of our fellowman. Most wars begin out of fear. This fear is usually based on misunderstanding.
I have posted the quote again at the end of this post. It is open for personal interpretation.

"Peace I leave with you. My peace I give you... Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." -- Jesus Christ

Mmm... Actually most wars (by this, I mean any major conflict in the last century or so) stem from economic problems and greed.

Well Anomolous, apparently I struck a nerve with my last post.
I didn't write that with the intention of provoking you. I was merely bringing to light the fact that you mention your love for the Lord in several of your posts, yet you do not believe in the possibility of world peace.

The quote that I used, I used for a reason. It was not meant specifically for you, Anomolous. Salvation through love is the only way that we will be able to attain world peace. There are several types of love and the type that will be our saving grace is the love of our fellowman. Most wars begin out of fear. This fear is usually based on misunderstanding.
I have posted the quote again at the end of this post. It is open for personal interpretation.
"Peace I leave with you. My peace I give you... Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." -- Jesus Christ

I agree with you but you must understand that I DO believe in the possibility of peace. I am frustrated that you misunderstand me when I put more effort into articulating the thoughts in my posts than most do. If you read my posts to ChalfantMT, you will better understand what I am saying. World peace is just not a realistic possibility RIGHT NOW. I believe the concept, in and of itself, is possible. It is what all Christians strive for, but they usually go about it the wrong way. I felt provoked because I got the impression that you were questioning my committment to my faith based on YOUR misunderstanding of what I was trying to say to ChalfantMT. You also called me cynical, indirectly. I am not cynical. I am reasonable, balanced, moderate, if you will. My point with your scripture quotes is that it is not always the best tactic to wear your religious beliefs on your sleeve. Living as an example is the best way to demostrate Christian ideology. This is how Jesus lived. We try to follow HIS EXAMPLE. I don't know how much simpler I can explain it. :rolleyes:

I agree with you but you must understand that I DO believe in the possibility of peace. I am frustrated that you misunderstand me when I put more effort into articulating the thoughts in my posts than most do. If you read my posts to ChalfantMT, you will better understand what I am saying. World peace is just not a realistic possibility RIGHT NOW. I believe the concept, in and of itself, is possible. It is what all Christians strive for, but they usually go about it the wrong way. I felt provoked because I got the impression that you were questioning my committment to my faith based on YOUR misunderstanding of what I was trying to say to ChalfantMT. You also called me cynical, indirectly. I am not cynical. I am reasonable, balanced, moderate, if you will. My point with your scripture quotes is that it is not always the best tactic to wear your religious beliefs on your sleeve. Living as an example is the best way to demostrate Christian ideology. This is how Jesus lived. We try to follow HIS EXAMPLE. I don't know how much simpler I can explain it. Okay, Anomolous. I understand your point more clearly with this last post. But it was the fact that you contradict yourself in your lengthy responses to ChalfantMT that led to a possible "misunderstanding" on my part. I'm glad to see that you have strong beliefs and that you stick by them. That is rather rare nowadays. Peace be with you, brother.

I gess we all agree on the same basic idea. that we want world peace and the only thing we can do to obtain it is by living the way Jesus taught us to.

I believe there is merit in all our satements but I still believe that peace can be obtained on Earth right now. their is just one thing in our way from doing so and that is our inate Human communication barrier which we have seen thru this thread.

Now try to understand that every human being believes in the same thing (except crazy people which there are not as many as people like to believe) and if we, the people of earth, can just agree on that, the idea that we are all the same, then we can have world peace.

Ah, no. I'm new in this thread but I know enough to make one conclusion: yes we all want world peace. But no the only way we can obtain it is to completely follow our individual methods.
I can see a unified world under Jesus's teachings. I can just as easily imagine one under Buddha too, or Star Trek, or even Machiavellian...if its one thing I know, all dreams promise paradise if done right. All dreams however are because of their co-existance, and our basic human natures, never done right. Interesting humanity, ain't it?