Dying

i'm just curious, what happens when you die? what do you believe happens after death?

You seize to function. Your brain no longer receives blood, so you become 'unaware'. Than, as slowly bacteria and funghi begin to recycle your cells, the chance of becoming aware again dissipates, and all you once was fades away like snow before the sun :).

Mr U

but is there an afterlife thing or something

No... We 'live' because our brain works together as one organ, that's all. Once you die, that organ seizes to function, so you do not live anymore. Basicly that's it. It isn't that bad, really. At least you don't have to worry about anything anymore.

But don't worry, I'm pretty sure you'll live long enough to enjoy your life :).

Mr U

how do you explain out of body experiences

Now that wasn't nice, HU! Humour the guy! :p
Well, I can't offer much answers, but I'll try, Raj. Basically OBEs can't be taken as statistical evidence, because it is possible that the mind still takes in information in its comatose state to create the dreams the experiences involve. Some OBEs have also been found to involve things that weren't there as well.
Now me, I know Death has scared me stiff many times. I've been haunted by it since young, about how I would feel when I died; the last few moments. Also about the sheer....oblivion logic implies waits for us. I can't say I have an answer...just to try to put Death into as much a philosophical state as possible. The End, that's it. For all its worth, Death teaches us about Life. I'd choose to stick to that.

Death doesn't scare me anymore. It honestly doesn't, as I've faced the possibility once before and found another, more stronger side to myself that even I or anyone who really knew me thought I'd had. My only fear is to leave my children at a young age, however if I am lucky enough to still be alive when they have reached adulthood then as sad as it will still be, I will at least pass on knowing that they are (I hope) well equipt to look after themselves.

As for what happens to us when we die, I believe we cease to exsist. Period. I don't believe in religion. I like to look upon outer body experiences and the like on a more scientific level. A rational explanation for everything if you will.

Some times i question what happens. For some people it helps them to think that they have somewhere to go when they dye. I just think we dont exsist anymore. Maybe we wont be aware we are dead. Well i dont care either way. If i dont Exsist i wont care wiether or not there is a heaven

Is it me or is this thread exactly the same as my ''After Life'' thread?? Please need to use the search button......

Well,as I can see,most of you guys believe that you'll just stop existing when you die,right?Damn,that's depressing! :D Anyway,I believe in God,so I believe that there's life after death.

Life after death? Re-incarnation... I hope so.
I'll come back as a 'Tasmanian Devil' and knaw Bush's balls off.

I would like to believe in reincarnation, but that leads me to the question of how does reincarnation occur, which then leads me too far down the religion path for my liking.
So I agree with the majority, as depressing as it sounds we are just no more.

"Always look on the bright side of life.
Life's a piece of shit, when you look at it,
Life's a laugh, and death's a joke it's true,
You'll see it's all a show, people laughing as you go,
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
Always look on the bright side of death, a just before you draw your terminal breath."

i believe in life after death i just can't believe that after you die thats it. whats the point in living if its just gonna end?

Just because life seems pointless or without purpose does not mean it should not end. We are imperfect and thus incapable of grasping the whole that is life. Who are we to say what life is and when it ends if we ourselves are so intimitaly bound to it? One can not assess something he himself is part of. It would be bias :p.

Mr U

It would be nice to think that you come back as something else when you die.. But I can't say that I fully believe it. I do and don't believe in God.. So I can't say whether there is an After-Life or anything... But you can dream :)

This is actually the worse thing, to me: I heard once that a brain lives for a considerably long time after the body dies. This might actually be your After-Death Experience...can you imagine what it would be like? You see a vision of God, and are beside yourself in joy and happiness...then the last cells of your brain goes out and you just fade away. A constant nightmare of mine.

It feels rather cold, doesn't it? Coming from the core of the body's vessel and emanating out, you can feel the blood being pumped away from your heart get a few degrees cooler. From the major ateries, all the way out through your capillaries, and then your body and your soul become cold, and you are pained by these thoughts and this feeling. It is, perhaps, the closest thing to terror that one can experience, a helpless feeling. However, one cannot dwell on this forever, as life and the here and now are good, and we can't have the time to be bothered by a silly thing such as the thought of the cessation of our existence.

Death isn't a nice experience.. But since there's no avoiding it... It's better to be quick and painless.

I had heard that true, Mac, but is it not beautiful to know that some piece of us remains even when we are thought to be dead? Personally, I find the thought that you can come to peace with dying just after dying quite... soothing.

No person can die in a dream. If all of your life you have carried around a box with not the slightest idea of what might be in it, your dreams will involve you nearly opening the box, yet never beholding it's contents. I don't think that after we die, and enter a state of putrification we will be fully aware of the state in which we lie. If we are going to follow near-life (;))-experiences, I suppose the state in which those people are at that point is dream-like, if not comparable to someone having a 'trip'. Although I myself do not use drugs, I suppose it could generate similar effects.

Death, to me at least, remains a mystery. How and what exactly happens that brings forth a cataclysmic range of events resulting into death remains unknown to me, and frankly, I like it that way. I rather focus on the living things :).

Mr U

As fascinating as reincarnation sounds, and as motivating as it is to believe that our life here is IT, I, personally, believe that there is a life beyond this one.
I believe in both heaven and hell. I guess it's pretty basic. Like you said, HU, the majority of all that is a mystery, and we can only know what we've either learned personally or been told (and even then , it depends on the source). I choose to believe what the Bible says and what I've been told by certain religious leaders whom I trust fully. If I've been misguided, so be it. I follow that and am satisfied.

But thats the thing... No source is definate. It will remain a mystery. You cannot die, then bring yourself back to life to tell people what you experienced... If you could, then this mystery would've been solved long ago. No one knows whether there is life after death.. So therefore you cannot trust any source. There's nought wrong in believing though. I believe in Heaven and Hell... But it isn't something that can actually be proved with evidence. But if anyting was good to go along with, then I'd say when the body ceases to function, it goes either completely white (probabily to represent heaven) or completely dark (to represent hell.. If you believe in that)... Nothing else happens... You just black out.. An eternal sleep rather.

Although the Black = Hell and White = Heaven theory above is my thought.

I dunno...somehow I feel that thinking along the lines of 'stick to the living' or 'we might never glean anything pondering on this' sounds more like denial. When you're 80 or 90 like I watched my incapacitated grandmother; death'll be something you'll be thinking of all day...and you won't help but regret. Somehow.
It's....it's like you're being cheated. I don't like a vision of heaven only to be robbed of it...even in death I'd like to see the truth. The worst is if some things you never thought possible actually happened...what if you can feel your body's incineration in the pyre?
And lastly, I've been haunted by death for a long time, for mostly the same reasons: I come dangerously close to it several times just sleeping. I'm not sure if there's a symptom for this, but lots of times when I sleep I enter a state so deep that my body neglects to breathe. I'd come to the realisation that I'm oxygen starved for a terror and agony-filled second, then come to gasping, then return to my efforts for sleep....then encounter the same thing again; multiple times in the night. If that's what death feels like, I really hope mine would be a good, clean and fast one. Brain-wise.

Well, the closest I ever got to death was when someone put a hadaka jime on me, or at least I thought it was, I couldn't see all that well, which basicly means tying an arm around your neck and stopping the bloodflow to your brain. Now, normally, the effects are neglectable, but he did it rather tight, so I slowly sank away.. peacefully. Just a small voice in my head said that this wasn't right and at the brink of losing conscience, I slammed at the mat.

That's my idea of a perfect death, having sex with two beautiful Australian women, and them choking me at my climax... Yummy...

Mr U

i don't care if i die anymore. my life sucks at the moment
dead begins to getting interesting, and more everyday
:rolleyes:

Personally, I will worry about death when it comes, but no one knows when they are going to die, but why waste your life worring about dying. I believe in what the bible says about death but I am open to all happnings. If there is no life after death and no heaven and we simply seace to exsist, than how can an entire religion be wrong?

everybody dies sometime

every minute someone is born and everyminute someone dies. it happens every day !

dead seems better then life

That's my idea of a perfect death, having sex with two beautiful Australian women, and them choking me at my climax... Yummy...

Mr U

You know, Aussie chicks really dig that kind of thing in a guy ;)
Also, John Wayne Gacy killed young boys, by stuffing their underwear down there throats, so they would choke while he was climaxing... now wouldn't would rather that, I know you would :p

You know, Aussie chicks really dig that kind of thing in a guy ;)
Also, John Wayne Gacy killed young boys, by stuffing their underwear down there throats, so they would choke while he was climaxing... now wouldn't would rather that, I know you would :p
Don't encourage him. He'll find some way to make it happen.

*shudders*

i don't care if i die anymore. my life sucks at the moment
dead begins to getting interesting, and more everyday
:rolleyes:
got that rite. my life sucks too. u know with that girl and all. (still can't get over her)

Don't encourage him. He'll find some way to make it happen.

*shudders*

Hmm.. You begin to come close to understanding the reaches of my resolve. You are learning quickly :p.

Don't say that Raj and Freddy. Life is way too great a chance for fun to pass up. Live a little! (Said the Pink-posting closet-homosexual who spends more time on his pc than at school. There, I said it NMN, so you don't have to :p)

Mr U

Hmm.. You begin to come close to understanding the reaches of my resolve. You are learning quickly :p.

Don't say that Raj and Freddy. Life is way too great a chance for fun to pass up. Live a little! (Said the Pink-posting closet-homosexual who spends more time on his pc than at school. There, I said it NMN, so you don't have to :p)

Mr U
Haha... I'm just beginning to enter the world of HomoUniversalis. It's quite scary, but I am brave.

And thank you. You saved me about a minute.

lol kidnap her.

However, one cannot dwell on this forever, as life and the here and now are good, and we can't have the time to be bothered by a silly thing such as the thought of the cessation of our existence.

This sounds like when people have told me to "live for the moment". But it seems so ridiculous because for most of us we are constantly in wonder of what happens next thus making it impossible to ever 'live in the moment'.

than how can an entire religion be wrong?

the Gods of olympus was once a practices religon among the greeks, and its wrong.


I see death as the ultimate resolve of peace, ive imagined it many times, just there slowing dying up until that last experience of existence. Then as that last moment fleets away the last peaceful sleep comes into mind and you're just "gone" forever.. Yet as peaceful as this resolve sometimes seems to me whethere or not it happens is what scares the hell out of me.

So am I scared of dying ? not the actual event no I even welocome near-death events, of what happens afterward yes(to a certain degree).

Do I live my life as if there will be some "final judgement" on my soul ? which will decide whether I go to hell or heaven. Or do I live with absolutely no regret, no holding back of any kind because in the end I just "blink" out of existence ? A person could spend a life time debating over these questions and still not have an awnser.

Its also interesting how much society tries to shelter us from death. Even hallmark cards have no mention that a life has just ended at all.

SOrry you're so depressed, FK :( If you need to talk, you know you can always PM me or something...

However, I agree with you. I look forward to the day I die. Life is but a prelude of what's to come :D

What if dying turns out to be something totally different than we ever imagined it to be ? What if when you died you didnt "die" at all but instad you sort of woke up somewhere else. A complete different universe all together. Or you just exist on some other plane, not as a ghost or some spirit just "there", something that cant really be desribed in english or any other language.

the Gods of olympus was once a practices religon among the greeks, and its wrong.

Where's your evidence on that?

I hope to go to Valhalla one day. I got a deal with Thor. He's hookin' it up.

Where's your evidence on that?

Exactalamundo!


I hope to go to Valhalla one day. I got a deal with Thor. He's hookin' it up.

Long love them 'Germans'!

Oh, and Helios, to your last post: occam's razor. What if you die you end up like a blonde twenty-year-old cheerleader who is limited to giving me blowjobs? Sure, it's a possibility, but it makes zero sense at all. Though Occam's razor is not a scientific method, it is often used to toss them kind of theories out of the boat.

Mr U

This sounds like when people have told me to "live for the moment". But it seems so ridiculous because for most of us we are constantly in wonder of what happens next thus making it impossible to ever 'live in the moment'.

The "us" is what I wasn't really taking into consideration. It's completely possible to 'live in the moment'. Try marijuana.

Wow. lots of points here.
Firstly, it's actually very possible indeed to live in the moment. Go for a hike, watch a sunset, delegate a whole day of nothing but chilling out and talking to your oldest friends. Never fails, for me. :)
Basically to me, the worst thing about death is the ceasure of 'self', and of 'thought'. I value these very, very much personally, especially since even when I go to sleep I can't help thinking or creating stuff to think about. The lack of it or worse, the knowledge of the destruction of your own consciousness....it's too much to take!
And worse....there are definitely lots of 'what ifs'. Haven't you considered worse 'what ifs'? Who said life after death, if at all possible, would make sense or be spiritually fulfilling in anyway? I shudder to think of the chaos our chaotic universe might throw at us for the rest of eternity after death.

Exactalamundo!



Long love them 'Germans'!

Oh, and Helios, to your last post: occam's razor. What if you die you end up like a blonde twenty-year-old cheerleader who is limited to giving me blowjobs? Sure, it's a possibility, but it makes zero sense at all. Though Occam's razor is not a scientific method, it is often used to toss them kind of theories out of the boat.

Mr U


lol re-incarnation
would be kinda cool if thats for real. but i rather come back as a animal. a wolf or a tiger :D or as a see animal a shark :D


well PP i'm not that depresed that i try to kill myself. just lol my life sucks at the moment.

when i feel depressed i listen so KoRn (song BLAME) cheers my up alittle

BLAME

So I think you are a fool
Hanging on my every word
It's getting ugly
So I'm ugly

Tear me from your heart
Tearing me apart

So I thought you disappeared
Being alone is what you fear
Are you lonely?
Yes lonely

Tear me from your heart
Tearing me apart

Rolling, and throwing, consoling
Everything that goes this far
Joking and hoping, revolting
All that shit that's who you are
Hoping, and scolding, revolving
Peel it back, reveal the scar
Loathing, exploding, controlling
This is what you really are

The time is coming
God is saying
You're really happy
You've won the game
The time is coming
A bed of flames
Your life is over and you're to blame
The time is coming
You've gone insane
You're feeling happy
You've won the game
The time is coming
A bed of flames
Your life is over and you're to blame

Rolling, and throwing, consoling
Everything that goes this far
Joking and hoping, revolting
All that shit that's who you are
Hoping, and scolding, revolving
Peel it back, reveal the scar
Loathing, exploding, controlling
This is what you really are

Where's your evidence on that?

my evidence is simple observation, where is Atlas ? last time I checked he doesnt hold up the earth. And Mt Olympus a giant mountain that reaches into the heavens, all of the tallest peaks in the world have been climbed to the top and no sign of any Gods. Zeus does not throw down lightining bolts, its caused by energy built up in clouds by ice crystals.

Oh, and Helios, to your last post: occam's razor. What if you die you end up like a blonde twenty-year-old cheerleader who is limited to giving me blowjobs? Sure, it's a possibility, but it makes zero sense at all. Though Occam's razor is not a scientific method, it is often used to toss them kind of theories out of the boat.

Mr U

I dont see how it making any sense has much to dow ith its validity. Particles changing direction because they hit a particle seemingly from other univeres' doesnt make much sense either but its still a theory.

my evidence is simple observation, where is Atlas ? last time I checked he doesnt hold up the earth. And Mt Olympus a giant mountain that reaches into the heavens, all of the tallest peaks in the world have been climbed to the top and no sign of any Gods. Zeus does not throw down lightining bolts, its caused by energy built up in clouds by ice crystals.

And we have proven God doesn't live in the sky either. Olympus is just a metaphor for an unreachable place. It does not disprove anything.


I dont see how it making any sense has much to dow ith its validity. Particles changing direction because they hit a particle seemingly from other univeres' doesnt make much sense either but its still a theory.

I am not saying your theory is not a theory, I'm saying that your theory is about likely as you appearing as a twenty-year-old chick just to give me blowjobs when you die. That's what I am saying, nothing more, nothing less. If you are trying to state that there is no way we can know what happens after we die, I urge you to do a search for 'Mr Obvious' on the Google Image search.

Mr U

my evidence is simple observation, where is Atlas ? last time I checked he doesnt hold up the earth. And Mt Olympus a giant mountain that reaches into the heavens, all of the tallest peaks in the world have been climbed to the top and no sign of any Gods. Zeus does not throw down lightining bolts, its caused by energy built up in clouds by ice crystals.


Human observation is flawed. Who knows, maybe Atlas is invisible to the eye. He could quite possibly still be holding up the Earth. But that's not the point. The point is no religion has been proven to be true or false. You can't just arbitrarily state it as fact.

The point is no religion has been proven to be true or false. You can't just arbitrarily state it as fact.

If that were the case any fictitious thing someone said relating to the supernatural could be real because no one could prove it wrong. I could say the sky is blue because dead souls flot up into the sky, and could you prove me wrong ? not really. So where do we put the line, just because this was stated a few thousand years ago doesnt give it any more truthfullness to it than if I said it now.

I am not saying your theory is not a theory, I'm saying that your theory is about likely as you appearing as a twenty-year-old chick just to give me blowjobs when you die. That's what I am saying, nothing more, nothing less.

Since we can never know what comes after death it will remain forever merely a theory.

If that were the case any fictitious thing someone said relating to the supernatural could be real because no one could prove it wrong. I could say the sky is blue because dead souls flot up into the sky, and could you prove me wrong ? not really. So where do we put the line, just because this was stated a few thousand years ago doesnt give it any more truthfullness to it than if I said it now.

You can believe whatever the hell you want to believe. As point of fact, however, you might or might not get a following. You don't have to put the line anywhere. Humans have free will within the their minds, and can choose to believe and see what they want. Who are we or someone else to tell them what or who they can believe in? People do it, but does that make it right? Not in my book.

The sky is blue because dead souls float into the sky. Go for it. Knock yourself out. I think aliens named Prot come from the planet K-Pax. Yay for me!

After life, there is death. People should be more concerned about what they do in life, than what happens after death.

'Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives.'
A. Sachs

I do agree with you there. Life should be wonderful for everyone. I mean my life is not really that wonderful and sometimes I wish it could be more so. Everyday I try to keep myself alive because I just feel like dieing and killing myself. Since it seems as if nobody really notices me. I just hate that feeling. Yeah I am a Christian and I know that if you kill yourself you go straight to hell. That is why I am not trying to kill myself because I dont want to go to hell. I want to live until I become 100 then I want to die. Or maybe I might change my mind and I would like to live a little longer.

Maybe take a break from Christianity or change the way you're looking at and treating your faith and see if that makes you feel better about your life. I'm not saying to up and leave it, but maybe make a few changes in the way you're looking at the world and see if that makes you feel like living.

Yeah. But the real reason why I feel this way is because of my mom. My mom has been abusing me and that is why I feel depressed. I cant really do anything that I would really love to do. And when I go into college that is the only time that I will be happy again. I just know it. So all I can do is wait until next june and you right about one thing. I should have a more positive look on life. I think I should change myself in becoming more happy.

I do agree with you there. Life should be wonderful for everyone. I mean my life is not really that wonderful and sometimes I wish it could be more so. Everyday I try to keep myself alive because I just feel like dieing and killing myself. Since it seems as if nobody really notices me. I just hate that feeling. Yeah I am a Christian and I know that if you kill yourself you go straight to hell. That is why I am not trying to kill myself because I dont want to go to hell. I want to live until I become 100 then I want to die. Or maybe I might change my mind and I would like to live a little longer.
quick question: where in the Bible does it say that you go straight to Hell for killing yourself? (aside from the 10 commandments)

I'm NOT trying to say that you SHOULD (not by any means!!), but it's just something that's been burning in the back of my head lately...

I look forward to death. The day I come will be greatly celebrated (lol probably more so by the people I'm around). Still, it doesn't mean I should hasten the day, no matter how much life seemingly stinks.

I'm sorry you feel that nobody notices you. Believe me- more eyes are on you right when you think no one is watching than when you're TRYING to get attention.

Well it also says that in different parts of the Bible. But right now I dont have my notes down with me of where it says in the scriptures of how people get to hell. I know there are some scriptures about this in the Book of Revalations.

I never really thought about it that way. Even now I still dont think alot of people are really noticing me. It is just like today I though nobody was noticing me when I was helping one of my friends because she had a bad day or when I put all of the furniture in the room where they belong. And after that, that was the first time that my teacher ever told me thank you for putting the chairs away. So I guess in a way your right. People notice you alot more when you are quiet and not trying to get som much attention. Compared to the person who is always loud and trying to get as much attention as they can get.

There is a time to speak, ASF, and there is a time to be quiet. You can never get anywhere following any one of these lines completely. True talent is not in always letting your voice be heard, or being quiet till someone notices. Talent is in saying the things you can, when you can, to best effect. Talent never seeks attention - attention will always seek out talent.
On that note, do enjoy your stay. Don't get too sensitive with the people here...many don't spend enough time (like me) getting to know everyone, so its understandable if you don't make that impact too early. Everyone comes here just to be themselves...so have a good time chilling out around here.

Well I am not worried about the people here. It is I am worried about what the people think about me at school, home, and my friends. Because it seems to be like everyone is judging me and I dont like it.

Also I hate not being noticed by people. Because I start to feel as if I am nothing and that I will just fade away with the rest of the world unless someone just helps me out of my great depression now. I just hope I dont feel this way when I graduate out of college.

Have you ever heard of John Nash? He was a bit like you, worried what others thought and such. He became a paranoid schizophrenic, but he overcame that and won the Nobel Prize for his economic theory that made Adam Smith look like a fool.

My point is, stop caring about what others think of you. That's why they call it SELF-esteem. My advice is to be yourself, and if you really are depressed, to talk to someone who will listen, someone you can really confide in.

Well I have tried to do that before. But it seems like it doesn't work on me. Because I already know what people are going to tell me. It is as if I can read their minds of what I should do since I am sad and depressed. I think it is just because of the situation that I am in as well. That might also be causing me to be very depressed.

You are the master of your own destiny. Try not letting others get in the way of that.

Yeah your right about that. Everyone is the master of their own destinies. I guess whatever happens to me I have the decision to decide on since I am the person that is making those choices. Thanks again man.

Have you ever heard of John Nash? He was a bit like you, worried what others thought and such. He became a paranoid schizophrenic, but he overcame that and won the Nobel Prize for his economic theory that made Adam Smith look like a fool.

Heh, A Beautiful Mind.

Well I have tried to do that before. But it seems like it doesn't work on me. Because I already know what people are going to tell me.

Perhaps you're not talking to the right people then.

I look forward to death. The day I come will be greatly celebrated (lol probably more so by the people I'm around). Still, it doesn't mean I should hasten the day, no matter how much life seemingly stinks.





lol, do you got that many enemy's then PP ?

hummm death rules, life sucks :p

Well sometimes I do think death rules and life sucks. And maybe I am not talking to the right people now. It is just since I am still a teenager I still feel very confused. Plus I am going through alot of changes. I guess that could be just the reason why I am feeling so depressed.

I don't think Death rules because once it happens, thats it. Yes, you may be escaping the torture of everyday life, but you'll definetly be missing socialism, video games and a whole lot more... Not that it would really matter because you'd be dead.. lol. But oh well.