God...er is there?

Is there actually a 'higher power'? I doubt it! I'm not saying there is no God...I'm saying that it's a bit far-fetched for me to take in. I think everyone wants to believe that there's nothing to fear about death coz of heaven and jibberish. But how can 'The Man' say there WILL be free will...isn't he breaking this free will right from the start? Free will is great and all but what if everyone did not want it? Our world is obviously uncapable of free will while "we are being sent to hell in a hand-basket". Which brings me to my next subject..."Water is getting thin". I shall see you all, in The Water Wars in about 20 years.

I beleive in God.....

Wow, yer jumpin around a lot in your post there. I believe there is a God, even though religion is just an explanation for the unexplainable. I'm not following you on what yer saying about free will... And as for "Water getting thin," the Earth has the same amount of water it did millions of years ago. The problem is the population is increasing exponentially. But uh, yeah...

Water is like energy it can be created or destroyed, or can it.......

I'm sorry, if you can't handle the truth...leave me thread.

Originally posted by tHe aRcHeItEcT
Water is like energy it can be created or destroyed, or can it.......

energy can be neither created nor destroyed, it is constant in the universe, and the only thing it does is change from one form to another. and water is a molecule and can be created and destroyed. it can and will eventually leave, as the sun is expanding and will evaporate all the water on earth and turn us into a planet like mercury or venus, with no water, because it is way too hot for it to be a liquid.

and on the subject of Dog, there is and there isnt. i neither deny nor confirm the existance of Dog. i cant say. i am first and foremost a scientist and i think in terms of realism.

Originally posted by NMN
energy can be neither created nor destroyed, it is constant in the universe, and the only thing it does is change from one form to another. and water is a molecule and can be created and destroyed. it can and will eventually leave, as the sun is expanding and will evaporate all the water on earth and turn us into a planet like mercury or venus, with no water, because it is way too hot for it to be a liquid.

and on the subject of Dog, there is and there isnt. i neither deny nor confirm the existance of Dog. i cant say. i am first and foremost a scientist and i think in terms of realism.

That-a-boy! And please remeber me, for I will need yo' help in the Water Wars. I'm frightnend.

Originally posted by AnotherOne
That-a-boy! And please remeber me, for I will need yo' help in the Water Wars. I'm frightnend.

NP, but i will have the largest stockpile, and you can have a piece, for the right price

The water wars?

Water CAN be "destroyed" (or disassembled) by running an electric current through it. By combining Hydrogen and Oxygen, it can be recreated. The big problem I've been hearing about is that, although the Earth has TONS of water, very little is good enough to drink. Much is either polluted (thanks to us), salty, underground (aquafers), or in ice form.

As for God, yes, I do believe in His existance (not to sound sexist. God is genderless- I just have always heard it referred to as a "him" so I chose to do so as well). It's much easier for me to believe in Him than to believe that everything happened (and happens) by chance.

Well I would like to think that there is a better place waiting for us but when I think of all the bad things that happen in life I think that there cant be a God cus they would not let stuff like this happen. Really I dont know, one day I do and one day I dont.

What I meant to say was that energy CANT not CAN Be destroyed Im not sure about water or water wars but My point was that water can change from one state to another like energy, and I think anti-matter is destroying energy....

its my belief that something made us, but it wasnt god. actually, im not a religious person at all, and think religion is a bunch of made-up words, but dont take offence to that.

Originally posted by Niobe 16
Well I would like to think that there is a better place waiting for us but when I think of all the bad things that happen in life I think that there cant be a God cus they would not let stuff like this happen.

IMO, we NEED bad things to happen to us. Think about it-- as humans, we usually remember the "bad" events (and learn from them) much more than the good ones. If we're pampered throughout our lives, then what good is it all? Enduring the tragic stuff is just as important as the good. It helps one become a well-rounded person.

And, TheOneIsGone, don't worry; I'm not offended :D Personally, I dislike words such as "religion" even though I know it describes part of my life...

ah i think there is something, but not a supreme being that made everthing. (why didn't he make aliens then, or the other planets, like earth so we could live on them)

People who believe in God are closed minded. People who don't are equally so. I believe in the possibilty. I just find it too hokey. Too many loop-holes. I think there is more proof that there is no god than his exsistance but people will always pull something out of a bible.

Originally posted by AnotherOne
People who believe in God are closed minded. People who don't are equally so.

Nah, opinion alone doesn't make a person close-minded, only the suppression of others' opinions & beliefs. For example, PsyPsy believes in God. But she doesn't suppress anyone else's views. At least, not that I've seen or experienced, even though she & I have very different beliefs. I'd say she's very open-minded.

It's important for us all to judge individuals by their actions, and not generalize with labels.

(sheesh, I'm so preachy lately....)

Originally posted by Tempest01
(sheesh, I'm so preachy lately....)

Both preachy and wise...Especially in my threads :p

Originally posted by Tempest01
Nah, opinion alone doesn't make a person close-minded, only the suppression of others' opinions & beliefs. For example, PsyPsy believes in God. But she doesn't suppress anyone else's views. At least, not that I've seen or experienced, even though she & I have very different beliefs. I'd say she's very open-minded.

It's important for us all to judge individuals by their actions, and not generalize with labels.

(sheesh, I'm so preachy lately....)

Thanks, Tempest :) I was afraid I was coming off preachy.... Don't worry- you're not preachy, IMO :D

I believe it's good to be open-minded, but to not take a side in some things just baffles me. I can't imagine sitting on the fence on an issue like this, but that's just the way I am programed. I need to believe in something to be even mildly satisfied with my existance. It's the way I am. If someone DOESN'T feel that burning desire to decide on what to believe, that's fine. A lot of this depends on who you are and how you were made.

When a person refuses to even briefly CONSIDER another person's views, that makes them narrow-minded. As long as a person's heart isn't hardened against others and their views, the person remains open-minded to some extent.

I belief that a belief is not beliefed enought to beliefing in the belief of someone's else belief in beliefing the unbeliefing.



Serious now, each one conceous God at his own way.

I see with as a higher cosmic force of harmonic order. Is it counscious? hell, no, that's ours limited minds tryin to narrow it down to our level.


But the biggest absurd bulls**t i ever heard is that a being totally omnipresent/powerfull/knowledge would rule the universe through concepts as superflous and relative as good and bad (heaven and hell). Give me a break.

bad can be view as maily destruction in a higher level, witch is to say the chaotic element (chaos). Everyone who knows something about evolution knows that the chaotic element is the key to our evolution (see Darwin). So bad is good.

We see bad as the bad doing in the scheme of damnging the living in a comunity (like murderer). And i can certally relate to that.

but to say that a universal force like "God" would concern with such pety "nuances" of our existence, when our civilation is but a blink of the eye in the scale of the cosmic timing...?

that's some Ego humanity have...

it would be cool of we could have multiple gods (like in the old day's. i would choose viking or egyptian gods then :))

Originally posted by Oraclitect

I see with as a higher cosmic force of harmonic order. Is it counscious? hell, no, that's yours limited minds tryin to narrow it down to our level.


But the biggest absurd bulls**t i ever heard is that a being totally omnipresent/powerfull/knowledge would rule the universe through concepts as superflous and relative as good and bad (heaven and hell). Give me a break.



No one here (as far as I have seen) have slammed your ideas. Please don't slam ours by saying we have "limited minds." The way I see it, those who refuse to even CONSIDER, let alone RESPECT others beliefs, are narrowminded.



Freddy, I have always loved mythology. Excellent stories; I wish they were still being created... :) Personally, I agree with you that the Egyptian ones are especially fascinating :D I love that whole culture.

You're totally right, it was a mistake of miss-speeling, i meant to say "ours minds", englobing the hole mankind, including me.
Because we can only create a concept of God based on what we already know (us), and i'm no different...

I didn't even noted until i read your post, thakyou for bring it to my attencion, so i could say I APOLIGSE if i affonded anyone ideias or belief's (religious or otherwise)


I'm gonna wip myself a little now...

Being a slight deist I think there is a God but he,she whoever left this universe and everything that happens is up to us alone and no one else is controlling anything


Originally posted by PsycikPsycho

Freddy, I have always loved mythology. Excellent stories; I wish they were still being created... :) Personally, I agree with you that the Egyptian ones are especially fascinating :D I love that whole culture.

yeah isnt Egyptian mythology great I especially like Ra the Sun God (My counterpart :D) I think Egyptian mytho is just a little more interesting than Greek and Roman maybe because its so unknown like so much other stuff about the Egyptians (mystery is always interesting puts chills down your spine :))

anubis looks cool

and from the viking god thor and odin are interesting.
i always like it when on discovery, things are about old egypt and over the gods.

There is GOD. There is the son of GOD JESUS CHRIST. For all of you that don't believe this and hasn't accepted JESUS as the savior of all humans i urge you to do so that way you don't have to be scared of death. Because you will live eternally in heaven.

Originally posted by Ur_DuMb_Im_NoT
There is GOD. There is the son of GOD JESUS CHRIST. For all of you that don't believe this and hasn't accepted JESUS as the savior of all humans i urge you to do so that way you don't have to be scared of death. Because you will live eternally in heaven.

Thanks preacher man, will do. Oh and by the way, its best not to urge, you might get a hernia. ;)

Originally posted by Ur_DuMb_Im_NoT
There is GOD. There is the son of GOD JESUS CHRIST. For all of you that don't believe this and hasn't accepted JESUS as the savior of all humans i urge you to do so that way you don't have to be scared of death. Because you will live eternally in heaven.

Is this a joke or some stupid kid? Great name though...

The sun is my life, the moon my rest, the ocean my pulse and the earth my bed. That's about all the 'god' you need...

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo


The sun is my life, the moon my rest, the ocean my pulse and the earth my bed. That's about all the 'god' you need...

nice quote Ou Be Low hoo

i don't realy believe in god. i do think there is something. but something you can only withnis when your dead.

Ive kind of questioned my faith which i heard is normal at my age.
I kind of looked at in a nutshell kind of way

If your goodie to shoes you go to heavean but if your a bad boy you go to hell. It just sounds like a fary tail but i wonder if thats what real life is supposed to be....
Who knows... maybe thats the way it has to be its just a game i guess.

Later

I think with dealing of heaven and hell people over look a lot of things, for one some much of the bible is taken the wrong way or it is twisted up to their needs

like for one with Hell, no where in the bible does it say anything about all this great pain and suffering it mentions the lake of fire which satan is supposedly cast into for all eternity, but dfoesnt say the "sinner" will be thrown into this same lake of fire, there must be a difference people have "made up" their own hell and heaven, if there are such places they probaly much different than what we make them another thing which is often overlooked there are supposed to be different "levels" of Hell the first level is for those that just were not baptised the next is for those that chose to divelge in un-marridal sex or commit adultery, (skipping ahead a few levels) the last level is supposed to be where Satan actually is along with the lake of fire this level is for the "sinners" that have commited the most henious sins

and strange how Islam and christianity so alike but so different in Islam "Hell" will eventually be empty becuase it is only a temporary place so they must "pay" for their sins beofre going to heaven (this sounds like purgitory) but in christianity if you go to hell you are there for all eternity

as with all things religon associated things are constantly taken out of context

here is a question my catholic friend asked me "would you rather serve in heaven or Rule in hell"

I would go on but class is over crap..

Hell is just another one of the marketing schemes drawn up by the religions to scare people into believing in their faith and to be 100% goodie 2 shoes.

"Boy, if you dont believe in Jesus, the Devil will eat your heart and make you dance for him for all eternity. HAHAHA!! Believe in Jesus, or I will forever associate you will Lucifer"

or something along those lines. The fear of the unknown always makes people start believing something. But no one can ever be 100% good. its improbable. with today's world at least.

Originally posted by NMN


or something along those lines. The fear of the unknown always makes people start believing something. But no one can ever be 100% good. its improbable. with today's world at least.

well unless you are a monk and live hundreds of miles from anyone else except other monks :D

reliogon was "started" to explain the unexplainable or the unknown but now there is science, religon just happened to come first if it were switched around whos to say it would have turned out the same ,why do you think they dont quite get along lol

Originally posted by Freddy Krueger
nice quote Ou Be Low hoo


It wasn't a quote...I made it up.

Now you may bow.

I believe in God. I don't like talking to people about Him who hate Him though. I'm not afraid of death, but I don't urge it on. AS long as I have a good life here on earth and know me and the people around me are goin' to heaven, that's good enough for me.

0_o, didn't you say you left? Oh well, welcome back, I guess, Malak.

I just found this link about Jesus.. rather interesting article, makes one think about 'Christ'.

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Q-A-panel/nowhere.html

Mr U

Originally posted by Malak
I believe in God. I don't like talking to people about Him who hate Him though. I'm not afraid of death, but I don't urge it on. AS long as I have a good life here on earth and know me and the people around me are goin' to heaven, that's good enough for me.

Thats good, Malak, you don't want to get a hernia now.

And HU, what was up with that article? O_o The bible is fiction, and even taught in my school as pure fiction. Although, I have to say, some good story telling. ;)

fiction with a historic twist. I find it rewarding to study it, after all, there is a whole cult worshipping it!

Mr U

Originally posted by NMN
Hell is just another one of the marketing schemes drawn up by the religions to scare people into believing in their faith and to be 100% goodie 2 shoes.

"Boy, if you dont believe in Jesus, the Devil will eat your heart and make you dance for him for all eternity. HAHAHA!! Believe in Jesus, or I will forever associate you will Lucifer"

or something along those lines. The fear of the unknown always makes people start believing something. But no one can ever be 100% good. its improbable. with today's world at least.


hahahahhahaha you'r just talking like a red neck.
hehehehe

Originally posted by Freddy Krueger
hahahahhahaha you'r just talking like a red neck.
hehehehe

I can do a good job of it too. Although I'm not southern, nor a redneck, Southern Baptists are the easiest to make fun of.

I belive that there is a God, as most of you know already. NMN, you're right. No one can be 100% good. That is why Jesus dies on the cross. Jesus also does not claim to be God. In the Bible he says, "No one gets to the Father except through me." I also don't agree that religion is a way to explain the unexplained. I agree with a quote from Ray Bradbury in his novel the Martian Chronicles: "Science is no more than an investigation of a miracle we can't explain." And Helios is right. Not once in the Bible does it describe Hell. Our vision of Hell is exactly that, our vision. What the human race thought up and taught. Finally, if you think about it, there has to be disaster in our world. First off, us as humans are like that and second off the world would be worse if we didn't have disasters. Our population would be way ove 6 billion if people didn't die by disasters which would be so much worse than the actual disaster. Disturbing i know, but true.

Speaking of Rednecks..."How did the Redneck find his sister in the woods?"

The answer is, "Pretty good."

Originally posted by BiggStankDogg
The reason I believe in God is that everything created in the universe could not just "happen" randomly. All the pieces could be there, but they all had to come together with precision. The Big Bang is like saying that you could completely dismantle a Swiss watch, throw all the components in a brown paper bag, shake it a few times, and after awhile, one of the shakes would make every single piece fall exactly into place in the exact order that they need to be in.


If you do it enough times the law of averages says that one of those times it will indeed return to it's original self!

This can be related to the creation of the world...For the eons that the universe has existed, our Earth was created by the exact same equation...many times the result was something else then by the law of averages this place we call home happened...

That's what I think, but I agree with your sentiments about choice and moderation...I have no problem if someone believes in god, as long as it doesn't affect me. Sadly, extremists are extreme for their absolute belief in what they think, to the detriment of others...this leads to war, which is ultimately not good for anyone.

"Hell is just another one of the marketing schemes drawn up by the religions to scare people into believing in their faith and to be 100% goodie 2 shoes"

don't remember who said this but hes on the right track. i don't believe in heaven and hell but i do believe that hell was made up by religions to SCARE (key word) people who already belong to their religion into abiding by the rules (some of which are ridiculous). i think looking past the scare tactics they were just trying to show us how to live a good life, even if your not religious most people have some religious ideals such as NOT KILLING PEOPLE (a handy quality). to sum up i don't believe in any one organized religion but i think if you pick and choose you can learn a lot from them.

In the end you have to ask yourself exactly what the concept of God is...

well yes i can see were you are going but i still belive in heven and hell. actualy this is kinda dumb but i thought it would be cool when you die if you want to you can go to the matrix. anyways free in heven is not having to worry about death and controll.

Originally posted by Aotearoa-kiwi0
"Hell is just another one of the marketing schemes drawn up by the religions to scare people into believing in their faith and to be 100% goodie 2 shoes"

don't remember who said this but hes on the right track. i don't believe in heaven and hell but i do believe that hell was made up by religions to SCARE (key word) people who already belong to their religion into abiding by the rules (some of which are ridiculous). i think looking past the scare tactics they were just trying to show us how to live a good life, even if your not religious most people have some religious ideals such as NOT KILLING PEOPLE (a handy quality). to sum up i don't believe in any one organized religion but i think if you pick and choose you can learn a lot from them.

well you know what they say "if you dont belive in hell you dont belive in heven."

maybe there isnt necessarially a heaven and a hell but just one afterlife where you arnt judged. so in that respect i guess i dont believe in heaven or hell. i dont really believe in anything im waitin to die so i can find out

Originally posted by Aotearoa-kiwi0
maybe there isnt necessarially a heaven and a hell but just one afterlife where you arnt judged. so in that respect i guess i dont believe in heaven or hell. i dont really believe in anything im waitin to die so i can find out

you shouldn't wait to die. just live your life to the fullist and when its your time its you time. really you shouldnt even think of it just go on with out and like i said then when you go you go.

Originally posted by AlmightyOne
you shouldn't wait to die. just live your life to the fullist and when its your time its you time. really you shouldnt even think of it just go on with out and like i said then when you go you go.

good point. when i said i was waiting for it i really meant im not gonna worry about it or anything cause it wont be that bad. i kinda overexaggerated for effect. i know what you mean though, thats my philosophy too

I still do not believe in religion, even when I was ill, and people were trying to get me to find 'the faith'. I am a big believer in oneself. And although I can understand folks turning to religion in serious times of need, I personally find the whole process a tad hyporcrytical myself. As for who made all we see around us, I believe in science to efficiantly answer those questions for me.

Once upon a time,I believed that there was someone watching over us,but I wasn't sure who was He.
He could be God,Budha,even Zeus!!!
Until a miracle happened in a very tough period of my life. So I believed. I believed that there was someone up there,someone to help us.
I believe in God,and I believe in Him because at that time my religion(although I wasn't 100% sure)was christianity,and so I believe that if I was wrong about my religion,He who loved me enouph to help me,would show me a sign or make me a miracle to make me understand that I've been following the wrong religion.

Well, ftr I am an atheist. Not an agnostic. I don't believe in a god, and even when I was ill last year I didn't. Actually if anything it made me a firm believer we are in control of our own lives and destinies. That is just my opinion, of course. :)

Doesn't it say in the beatitudes that 'those who do not beleive in me will be accepted in through the gates of heaven and believe.'? Or something like that? I don't know, it sounds a scheme.

I beleive there is a heaven, but if you don't make it, you are deemed to stay on earth forever. But that's redundant, because supposed if you don't believe, you go to heaven, you're "bad", you go to heaven and be good, that sort of thing. So how the hell would you go to hell, if no matter how you were, God took you to heaven?

It doesn't work exactly that way.

Did any of you ever see the movie Dogma? it's the most religious free-your-mind movie i saw, althought it is a comedy, it's highly thoughtfull, it make me think as the church was formed through the ideia of cherish and prasing God, for saving us and dying for our sins.

Since then the catholic church came up with the most extensive and absurd condicions for one to do so, and even punishements for the ones that dindn't.

The way i see that is abuse of a power that God never gave them. No human being can claim to speak the word of God more rightous and truefily than another, just because he uses a white bandage in his neck.


The fact is, throught the times, what started with a noble purpose was twisted by the selfish nature of man, to became the most powerfull not-proclamed company in the world.

Difference is that instead off seeling a product, they sell a ideia, and instead of their advertisements saying "buy this because...", they say "follow this, or else..."



Other movie that made me thought a lot was "the devil's advogate", the last speach that Satan's (in Al Pacino forms) gives to the young lawyer was one of the most interesting sell-out speaches i ever heard.

Satan's says (and i'm quoting now): "Who are you carrying all those bricks for?" (bricks being, the feeling guilty for his sins)

Satan's continues: "God? Let me tell you a inside information about God: God likes to watch. He's a pranksther! Think about it, he gives men this instincts, this amazing gifts, and then what does he does...?"
"He sets the rules in opposition! It's the goof of all times; Look, but don't touch... Touch, but don't taste... Taste, but don't swallow... And while your bowsing from one side to the other, what does He do? he's laughing his sick ass off!!"

The lawyer replies (did i mention it's played by keanu):"better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven , is that it?"

Satan's: "Why not, i'm here on the ground with my noose in it since the hole thing begin. I nurterged ever sensation man has been inspired to have! I cared with what he wanted and i never judged him! Why? because i never rejected him, insiped of all his imperfections! I'm a FAN OF MAN!!! I'm a humanist, maybe the last one!"



This made me thought, in this other perspective: Who's seens to be more in the side of man? God or the Devil?
If he didn't want us to do this things, why did he give us this instincts? And wans't Man made in the image of God? Why would he make a flawed copy of himself?

But it wans't God that sets this rules, it was the catholic church!



These are only a few of a vast number of contradicions the religious faith in church has. That's makes me believe that IF god does exist, is not in any church, that's for sure!

that's what i think, anyway...



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Originally posted by Ur_DuMb_Im_NoT
There is GOD. There is the son of GOD JESUS CHRIST. For all of you that don't believe this and hasn't accepted JESUS as the savior of all humans i urge you to do so that way you don't have to be scared of death. Because you will live eternally in heaven.

I respect your beliefs, so respect mine when I say THERE IS NO GOD. Chritianity is a man-made doctrine that is fractured at best. I don't need to find religion to be content on the inevitable that awaits me. Death is just the final release. You can either accept it or not.

Originally posted by UltimateTrinity
I respect your beliefs, so respect mine when I say THERE IS NO GOD. Chritianity is a man-made doctrine that is fractured at best. I don't need to find religion to be content on the inevitable that awaits me. Death is just the final release. You can either accept it or not.

Now I really don't think about this to much and infact I really don't think about it at all. When I do all I think to myself is if there is a GOD then why dose he let people get killed in horrible ways(9/11) or have people get killed or kill themselves? Now I am not saying there isn't a GOD, but if there is then why dose he let these bad and horrible things happen to his children? Thats all I really think about when I find time to think about it.

Why do you all expect God to help you that much? Because the truth is he doesn't has to,and he shouldn't as well!
God created us,animals,the planet,space,stars.He created an afterlife for us. So why should He have to help us as well? Also: God created every single form of life with the right of free will,the whole base of creating all living things is free will.So,if He keeps helping us all the time,then the free will of men will be less. Man and all other livestock must accept the responsobility that they were given as a gift and be gratefull for it.
Man(at least the christian man)must start being more mature about this subject. He must thank Him more of asking and demanding things from Him,because he has to understand the blessings he already have.And he must as another human of this planet try to be worthy of those blessings by doing good things in his everyday life.Even if you're life is crap right now,and there is nothing you can do about it,this doesn't mean that God has given up to you,I had some bad periods in my life as well,and there was nothing I could do about it,but I trusted Him,and he helped me. And I wrote ''trusted'',not ''demanded from".