Put aside any religouse beleifs you might have at the moment and think like a nonbeliver....what do you see death as and what happens after you die, everyones thought about but has anyone realised that whatever imagination we might have can come to us any second now.....
Do you belive in heaven or hell, in eternal torure for the sinners and eternal paradise for those who have done the right thing...how do you imagine the world we cannot see but must eventually return to..... im scared of dieing but then again im not....death is certain!!! we r all going 2 die...i do believe in heaven and hell...sort of
and the deepest circle of hell is reserved for betrayers and mutineers....no j/k!! lol
i do believe in life after death and im not that scared even though i dont want 2 die!!! :( I am not afraid of the act of death because it will eventually happen to everyoe but I am afraid of what happens afterwards its scary to think that when you die there is simply nothing scary yet comforting those last few seconds alive would be amazing just before you dip out of coincousness never to come back, though i do not belive in a seperate heaven or hell but just a place where the soul,spirit ect. go after the flesh dies, I think once you are dead it does not matter what you have done in your flesh because you are only spirit now
that sounds a little like Nirvana from Budaism or Hindusism forget which one, but its not, I think the spirit just "Returns" to some place like Limbo beacause a spirit is not dead but not quite alive yeh and think every1 who is ded goes 2 the same place so u wud get 2 c people u always wanted 2 meet!!!!!! coz ud all be ded yeh Neos_wife then you can meet Jhonny Depp
Anyway back to the topic, anymore ideas??? Originally posted by tHe aRcHeItEcT
yeh Neos_wife then you can meet Jhonny Depp
Anyway back to the topic, anymore ideas???
thats the idea!!! lol I definately believe in both Heaven and Hell.
I also look forward to death, not because I think I'm going to one place or another (because I can never fully say where I AM going), but because I honestly look forward to peace from this world. All this crap we go through is for so little. If this is it, then this is it. That paper I stayed up all night working on won't mean jack after this. But if this isn't the end......
I don't believe we go to heaven or hell based on how GOOD we are, but whether we accept Christ and try to live the life we're supposed to live (if that makes any sense)
Sorry, guys, I don't mean to preach, but it's a question about what I think, and, honestly, this is what I believe. I can't put aside religious beliefs because they effect what I, as a human being, think. Please forgive me. I believe in reincarnation. Not based on any religious grounds, but simply because energy never ceases to exist. Our bodies are a mass of energy, and energy is always changing and transforming, but never ending. So when we die, I believe that our energy simply changes to a different form. It may help contribute to the growth of a tree, the blooming of a flower, or the birth of a baby.
I'm not sure if I believe in heaven or hell. At least not in the biblical sense. Maybe I just can't wrap my head around the concept of two places our souls (or energies) go to be rewarded or punished. It just doesn't seem scientifically possible. Wouldn't it just be a bag of crap if death was akin to sleeping without dreaming (i.e., no afterlife)? I would prefer death to being like sleeping without dreaming than a bag of crap existence like eternal damnation. Im pretty sure that it wont be sleaping without dreaming, and I belive we will stay dead until Judment day and then all hell breaks loos literaly!! I think of death as a part of the Evolution we evolve into higher beings.
We leave the physical plain for the Spiritual.
either that or you go back to physical.
But only when you didn't live life as you should.
Cheers
NXA Even though everyone dies i'm scared of dieing. SmithClone.
You are scared of death while it is life you should be scared of.
Look at the world around you and you will know what i mean.
Cheers
NXA I DONT WANT TO DIE...i like my life
sure there are gonna be bad times in life where u think life is pointless and u want 2 die...but life is full of exciting things!!!!
and i am sort of scared of dying coz if i die by sum1 murdering me...it will hurt and i dont want 2 hav a painfull death...i want 2 die peacfully....all this has made me really think now..i cud die any second now...and wat will hapeen wen i die..how will i die where will i go...there are soooo many anunswerd questions!!!! Neo's Wife i can tell you feel unsure.
But the answer is never far.
It is within you heart and within your subconcious.
Search the answer and it will come to you.
Don't live your life to the max if you think you can't handle it.
Live with care.
But don't forget to party.
And remember the answer is within.
Cheers
NXA I think someone needs to lay off the frion. :D Originally posted by Manic Velocity
I think someone needs to lay off the frion. :D
Frion???
What the fellacio do you mean with that :D
Cheers
NXA I'm not afraid of death itslef. I am afraid of dying. I am afraid of suffering so much pain before finally snuffing it. After that, it's all up to God whether he thinks I'm naughty or nice. really i would almost rather experience as much pain as possible right before death because in some way I would be more "alive" then, like i wouldnt want to die in my sleep because you wouldnt even notice when you actualy died the after life is basically a manifestation of the physical world in a airy bliss. whatever life may hold, death comes with answers to undying questions WE all die it just a matter of how, I want to die as a martyr..... Originally posted by tHe aRcHeItEcT
I want to die as a martyr.....
Ditto :)
Or in some sort of freak accident, where I get thrown from a horse and a stick impales my hand and I slowly bleed to death or something like that. I'm open to other options...
(O'course, I'd prefer to die for something, but if I can't, then I may as well give others a good laugh at my expense...) Originally posted by PsycikPsycho
Ditto :)
(O'course, I'd prefer to die for something, but if I can't, then I may as well give others a good laugh at my expense...)
That like that faces of death **** I hate that extremley disturbing.... Hahahahaha cool.
I think that when i die i will die of age.
After i have lived my life to the max.
PARTYYYYYY.
Cheers
NXA I'm not afraid of diying it's what happens after that i'm afraid of I'm not afraid of death any more, and I don't believe in an afterlife. I think this is our one shot, and as such I intend to make the most of it. Life IS what you make of it, I've learned this firsthand. I spent my share of time blaming the world & everyone else for my unhappiness & dissatisfaction, and eventually I discovered what a crock that is. THIS is so much better. Now I can face the $hit of the world & not be brought low by it. I can feel compassion & anger about things, without letting those emotions rule my life.
I do hope that I stick around long enough that my children wouldn't be so devastated by my absence -- they're too young to understand, and I wouldn't want them to have to deal with that pain and confusion.
Of course, my dream is that I live to at least 100, and die sitting next to my husband, 2 crotchety old loons in crotchey rocking chairs, smiling about how full our lives were. Karl Marx's last words were: "Last words are for fools who have not said enough in their lives."
I agree with me and intend to live by them. I want to explore my life, not lead it. I want to see what's behind door number one, and two and three.
Death is the end of a journey, and unfortunately it is inevitable. Of all the certainties there are in live death is the most reliable one. Even Methusaleh died eventually, like all living things. I believe that there is no after-life, no reincarnation, no hell, no heaven. I believe that when I die the neural activity of my brain seizes to function, and my brain functions shut down.
Personally, I think I am going to kill myself as soon as I am impotent. I think I will torpedo myself on the Statue of Liberty, or bomb myself on the Eiffel Tower, or marry Smith_Fan, sigh. Hmm.. That wasn't what I meant...
Anyhow, I'm just going to enjoy the time I get, and make sure everything that needs to be said is said.
HU Originally posted by Tempest01
Of course, my dream is that I live to at least 100, and die sitting next to my husband, 2 crotchety old loons in crotchey rocking chairs, smiling about how full our lives were.
That's a lovely dream ^_^
I hope to be the old hag that terrorizes the neighborhood kids.
This is assuming, however, that I'm still in decent health. I'd rather be dead than living and unable to do a thing. The minute everything starts to fail, shoot me, throw me out in a ditch, and let the coyotes have their revenge :p For those of you who dont belive in afterlife then what do you think the purpose of life is??
To me life is a test we are given the freedom of choice to choose between good or bad and inside us we all know whats good and whats bad.....we are not however left to wonder off like that we are given a guide a set of rules to follow(religion) and everything is left to us to decide....
Unlike the merovingian I belive everything does begin with choice we decide wethar what we do will leads us to heaven or hell.
But if you belive that life has no purpose and you cannot belive anymore then what you can see, then to me you have failed and just like your life you will end up walking a dark and meaningles path for eternity....... Originally posted by tHe aRcHeItEcT
For those of you who dont belive in afterlife then what do you think the purpose of life is??
To me life is a test we are given the freedom of choice to choose between good or bad and inside us we all know whats good and whats bad.....we are not however left to wonder off like that we are given a guide a set of rules to follow(religion) and everything is left to us to decide....
Unlike the merovingian I belive everything does begin with choice we decide wethar what we do will leads us to heaven or hell.
But if you belive that life has no purpose and you cannot belive anymore then what you can see, then to me you have failed and just like your life you will end up walking a dark and meaningles path for eternity.......
You know, I always find it highly unfortunate & sad that religion must declare that everyone who thinks differently is simply wrong -- here you describe it as "doomed" of course. That type of thinking is an excuse for spreading hatred & condemnation, and causes much harm & disharmony in our world.
You can go on damning lost souls, but I'll continue to believe that we are bound instead to being intelligent & sensitive enough to understand the ramifications of our behavior in this very real life.
EDIT Right or wrong is in one's heart. We shouldn't need a set of rules to know the difference. If that is true then why do you think you were created what is the purpose of you living?? Keeping in mind that I'm not interested in persuading you that my beliefs are the only or ONE answer for anyone but myself, I was created because life evolved on this planet, and my purpose is to find harmony & contentment with(in) my life.
BTW, I don't object to religion, nor belief in the afterlife, nor your assumption that there has to be a purpose for life. Just because I don't believe in these things doesn't mean I think no one should or that anyone is wrong for doing so.
As an aside, if you think I'm going to hell, fine -- I don't believe in hell or an everlasting soul so it really doesn't put me out any. But if one's goal is to get to heaven one should consider the hypocrisy of acting with hatred or condemnation towards others. DISCLAIMER: this post is probably going to sound rather harsh & very anti-religion. I'm going to post it anyway, because I feel that defining someone as a "failure" for not believing in religion & an afterlife is, in fact, rather harsh itself & deserves to be put into perspective. I've said it before but will emphasize again: I'm not opposed to religion. Religion can be amazingly supportive & comforting of those in need, in many diverse ways. But it ISN'T all just peaches & cream. Would that it were.....
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I'm going to take this a step further, in light of some of the goings on in the world today.
You say that we're given a set of rules that help us to define good & bad -- well, let's look at that. Certain religions (2 of the major ones in particular) not only absolve or condone violence, they even encourage it. The idea of an afterlife gives people an out, an excuse: kill in the name of your god & your place in heaven is guaranteed, particularly if you die in the process. Kill & ask for forgiveness, recognize God, and you will be absolved. Shoot abortion doctors, and you will be welcomed in the kingdom of heaven. Suicide-bomb an embassy, or a trade center, or a train station and your place in the afterlife is set in gold, you will even be hailed as a warrior. Rape & strangle a 4 yr old and it is simply a matter of saying you're so very sorry, you see the light, you've found God..... and you are cleansed of this sin, this heinous, terrible, horrific thing, and will go to heaven, where you will experience everlasting joy & love.
These rules tell you that the pain, confusion, terror, misery & hatred that you have caused are insignificant in the scheme of things.
So you must understand when I say that I do not buy into that -- that idea of religious rules defining good & bad -- not for one single second. Originally posted by Tempest01
DISCLAIMER: this post is probably going to sound rather harsh & very anti-religion. I'm going to post it anyway, because I feel that defining someone as a "failure" for not believing in religion & an afterlife is, in fact, rather harsh itself & deserves to be put into perspective. I've said it before but will emphasize again: I'm not opposed to religion. Religion can be amazingly supportive & comforting of those in need, in many diverse ways. But it ISN'T all just peaches & cream. Would that it were.....
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I'm going to take this a step further, in light of some of the goings on in the world today.
You say that we're given a set of rules that help us to define good & bad -- well, let's look at that. Certain religions (2 of the major ones in particular) not only absolve or condone violence, they even encourage it. The idea of an afterlife gives people an out, an excuse: kill in the name of your god & your place in heaven is guaranteed, particularly if you die in the process. Kill & ask for forgiveness, recognize God, and you will be absolved. Shoot abortion doctors, and you will be welcomed in the kingdom of heaven. Suicide-bomb an embassy, or a trade center, or a train station and your place in the afterlife is set in gold, you will even be hailed as a warrior. Rape & strangle a 4 yr old and it is simply a matter of saying you're so very sorry, you see the light, you've found God..... and you are cleansed of this sin, this heinous, terrible, horrific thing, and will go to heaven, where you will experience everlasting joy & love.
These rules tell you that the pain, confusion, terror, misery & hatred that you have caused are insignificant in the scheme of things.
So you must understand when I say that I do not buy into that -- that idea of religious rules defining good & bad -- not for one single second.
Alright your obviuosly relating to the Religion of Islam...
You have to undertand this first not anyone that is in a certain religion means that he is following it properly...
Now as to all the violent acts your refering to, obviuosly you havent learned about it properly, western media try to make us muslims (yes I am one) look very bad to people like you so that they would defeat us.......
For examle the so called suicide bombings that happen all the time in places like Palestine have a reason....you are not rewarded a place in heaven if you kill innocent people, our religion tells us to only oppose those who have attacked you.....now the israely army has been slaughtering many palestenians eveyday and the only way the palestenians can deffend their courntry and their people is to try and attack back, however they do not have any weapons to compare against the israely army, and killing yourslef to kill your enemy in the process with the intention of defending religion or country makes you a martyr and in the 'Koraan' (our religions book) it is said that you will be rewarded (many things)....
And so what im trying to say is that religion is not responsible for any wrong behaiviour...while it is actually reaponsible for all right behiaviour.....you believe what you want to belive and so will I...... I promise you it's not just Islam. The Spanish Inquisition is a further good example. Hundreds of years of converting heathens to Christianity by the sword is another. Killing is killing, plain & simple, no matter what the reasons.
*sigh* I'm not saying any of this in anger, and I really want to reassure you that I don't think badly of you for your beliefs, as I also want you to be openminded about mine (which it seems you are, from your last statement). I just want to provide some perspective. These things do happen, and we need to consider them. When evil is done in the name of God, it's time to step back & contemplate one's beliefs. Please, he is not only mentioning the Islam. He is also refering to Christianity. And I personally agree with him, and do not find the disclaimer neccesary.
I am anti-Christian, as I am not willing to except any sort of government, organisation or Religion that is against homosexuality. The entire argument is absurd.
I usually do not meddle in this discussion, since too often Christians (not Islamic members, for some reason they are able to listen too non-Islamic members) come by and tell we all go to hell and burn for ever.
Personally, being threatened to burn, and suffer eternal agony is to me a lot worse than being threatened to death. Unfortunately, most Christians have no idea what they are talking about (at least the Christians I am familiar with) these people stubbornly hold to their religion, and excommunicate anyone refusing to believe the rubbish they believe in or who try to convince them otherwise.
Only Christians have eternal life. This has actually been stated by some Christians, naturally, this is rubbish, since Christ has died for my sins, ergo, I am cleansed and can go to heaven (Christ did not die for the sins of the Christians, remember Christianity did not exist than yet!). However, tells people that Christ died for their sins, but still had to suffer in hell for it. What? Christ died for nothing? Christ died in vein? Painful for any christian out there, I'd say.
What I would like to advice everyone Christian is to reflect 1984 (a book, no, not the bible) on the Dark Ages, where the church was in possesion of all literature about the past.
My vision on after-life? There is none. You will die, and nothing will happen, apart from decomposition. Live with it ;).
HU I myself HATE really HATE the religion called Christianity.
I don't like them all But now i truly hate Christianity.
It is the richest Religion of them all and they still dare to ask you for money after a funeral is over damn all honour is gone.
I still Honour the man who's funeral it was.
But i do NOT honor The religion called Christianity not anymore.
I know with this i probably make an offense to the believers.
But this is just what i think.
I think it is okay if you need to believe in something like it but please how dishonourable could church get DAMN.
Cheers
Monolith There is a seperation between religion and the people that practice it. Most religions in my experience(I have studied several but I do not profess to be an expert) are, at their core, a good set of beliefs and behaviors on how one should live their life.
The problem is generally not the religion itself, but of the people who choose to interpret it in such a way that they believe it gives them license to harm or discriminate those not of a common belief. Like most literary sources, if you try hard enough, you can find almost anything you want in them...even if those ideas were not there to begin with.
I, myself, am an agnostic. While I have certain beliefs and ideals, I am not arrogant enough to state that "I know the answer" or "my way is the right way" to a subject that man has studied and argued over since the dawn of time.
I also believe that it is a measure of an individuals intellect and responsibility that they determine their own values based on who they are, not out of some fear of punishment when they die. After all, who is more worthy, the one that abstains from an evil act because he/she is afraid of being punished, or the one that abstains because he/she simply believes the act is wrong? HU, who is the "he" that you're referring to? And I agree with you 100% about the homosexuality issue. I can only stand in awe & sadness at the hatred this matter engenders. How can people who are otherwise gentle, generous & loving spout so much meanness & intolerance at other human beings simply because of who they love & sleep with?
Originally posted by bLindsAge
There is a seperation between religion and the people that practice it. Most religions in my experience(I have studied several but I do not profess to be an expert) are, at their core, a good set of beliefs and behaviors on how one should live their life.
The problem is generally not the religion itself, but of the people who choose to interpret it in such a way that they believe it gives them license to harm or discriminate those not of a common belief. Like most literary sources, if you try hard enough, you can find almost anything you want in them...even if those ideas were not there to begin with.
I, myself, am an agnostic. While I have certain beliefs and ideals, I am not arrogant enough to state that "I know the answer" or "my way is the right way" to a subject that man has studied and argued over since the dawn of time.
I also believe that it is a measure of an individuals intellect and responsibility that they determine their own values based on who they are, not out of some fear of punishment when they die. After all, who is more worthy, the one that abstains from an evil act because he/she is afraid of being punished, or the one that abstains because he/she simply believes the act is wrong?
Yes, I agree with this. And you are right to point out that it isn't necessarily the religion that is the problem, as it is the people who misinterpret, misconstrue, and misapply the tenets of their religion -- people who use religion as a means for power & control, rather than for comfort & solace & support. Unfortunately, those people have the most profound & lasting impact upon the rest of us.....
:( Originally posted by HomoUniversalis
I am anti-Christian, as I am not willing to except any sort of government, organisation or Religion that is against homosexuality. The entire argument is absurd.
I usually do not meddle in this discussion, since too often Christians (not Islamic members, for some reason they are able to listen too non-Islamic members) come by and tell we all go to hell and burn for ever.
Personally, being threatened to burn, and suffer eternal agony is to me a lot worse than being threatened to death. Unfortunately, most Christians have no idea what they are talking about (at least the Christians I am familiar with) these people stubbornly hold to their religion, and excommunicate anyone refusing to believe the rubbish they believe in or who try to convince them otherwise.
Only Christians have eternal life. This has actually been stated by some Christians, naturally, this is rubbish, since Christ has died for my sins, ergo, I am cleansed and can go to heaven (Christ did not die for the sins of the Christians, remember Christianity did not exist than yet!). However, tells people that Christ died for their sins, but still had to suffer in hell for it. What? Christ died for nothing? Christ died in vein? Painful for any christian out there, I'd say.
I'm sorry to hear you're Anti-Christians in general. Out of sheer curiosity, does that mean you are anti-me? Exactly what do you mean by this statement?
You are very right, HU, in your comment that Christ DID NOT die just for Christians, seeing as they didn't even exist then. Being the stupid human beings we are, we simply "had" to give a name for those who follow Jesus.
Still, I (personally, maybe not all Christians believe this) think he DIDN'T die in vain. He died to save anyone who chooses to believe in him and try to live as Jesus taught us to live-- a peaceful, God-seeking life. HOnestly, a lot of what happened in the past (and is currently happening) in the name of God ashames me.
None of us are perfect. There are some "believers" who are trying to do what they think is right for the moment, and others who are tryign to do what they think is right for their eternity. I am no one to judge (or any human, IMHO) another person. I have failed in more ways than I'd like to say. Only God knows the truth about us, our "religion," who we are, and where we are going.
Thanks for at least listening to (and hopefully criticizing ^_^ ) my two cents. No sane person could be anti-you, PsyPsy! If more people (more Christians, in particular) could be like you I'm sure we wouldn't even be having this discussion. ;) Tempest, you were he, I responded to ArcheItect, but you beat me to the post. Hope that clears it up :)
I'm not exactly anti-Christian (although some people have called me the Anti-Christ), but I am an atheist, and I "believe" religion, as we know it today is a waste of time. Perhaps it will suit a better purpose in the future, but not today.
I do not blaim you for believing that Christ come to save you, what I do blaim people for is that they say I am going to hell. What I find worse however, is that this is completely acceptable in our society! Have we gone mad? If I said that I would torture you in my basement till you died, you could sue me, and they would probably investigate my basement!
However, it is perfectly okay for people to say I'm going to be tortured forever and ever and ever.
It's sickening.
Further, I respect you, and I couldn't care less what you do with your time, whether you spend it masturbating or praying to some god, honestly, I don't care (as long as you keep visiting MM ;)).
What I do care about is people's attitude towards me. I understand that on this subject I may seem harsh and brutal, but I do unto others as is done unto me (a bit of a misshape of Matheus 7:12).
Malak, for example, on multiple occasions threatened other members by telling them they would go to hell.
There is a lot of hate in religions, and hate should not be present in an organisation as powerfull as the Roman Catholic Church. Some people believe the Roman Church isn's as powerful anymore, but I believe other wise. I'll leave my conspiracy theories behind though :D.
Nevertheless, if this is going to turn into a biblical discussion, there is one problem. Translation. If you would give me the hebrew version (and I would know hebrew) I could translate the bible in such a manner that it would be an episode of the teletubbies, yet still, unmistakingly the bible.
The same goes for the bible (King James) we read today, and it's just as absurd. Women in the bible have been reduced to *****s or virgins. And Christ has been made, from a wise man, to a miraculous Son of God.
Each and every miracle performed by jesus can be explained in two different ways. One side you have the "And he created wine from water" the other side you have "He told the servants to get wine, since the guests didn't like the water too much."
Which one is true is irrelevant, and impossible to research (perhaps he indeed made wine, who am I to know?) however, we should not forget that the possibility that there is no God is a valid one, and should not be ruled out in the simplicity with which some Catholics say: You are going to hell.
If we are going to have a discussion, we will have to be open to other cultures, something the christians can not and will probably never do.
I'll raise the stakes. I have read the bible, and it did not convince me of the existence of God. If any person here can prove God exists, I will use their system of Religion as a token of appreciation. Not to unreasonable, right?
Until that time, if I survive that long, I'm not methusalem, I'll remain believing that when I die, I die, and there is nothing after it.
HU HU I might not agree with you on all what you have said but you certainly backed up your explanations pretty well........ hummm i am not afraid of death. if my time has come then let it be !
i think i will die of: natural dead, getting killed or if i kill myself.
don't know how old i will get, i will just see then
:mf:
i do think that there is a heaven or hell, but i am not sure if there is a god or devil. i do not think that i will go to heaven if i do only good things. just live a good life.
:crazy: I domnt fear death but I plan to live as long as posible I plan to set oldest living man record hopefully by then they have found a way to increase life spans and I can live even longer (i'm not joking by the way)
really i'm probaly more of a Deist than anything http://www.freemason.org/cfo/jan_feb_2002/poets.htm but I do not think the after life if there is one can be described by any of us because NONE of us has died and come back to say anything about it thats why Imo its hard for me to believe anything about a burning bush or parting of the red sea, Its kinda one of those have to see it to believe it things
And so Begins my quest for Immortality!!! Originally posted by HomoUniversalis
Which one is true is irrelevant, and impossible to research (perhaps he indeed made wine, who am I to know?) however, we should not forget that the possibility that there is no God is a valid one, and should not be ruled out in the simplicity with which some Catholics say: You are going to hell.
True, it's impossible to, via the scientific method, prove that God created the universe, but it's ALSO impossible to perfectly prove that it happened in a "big bang" that was all coincidental. To fully prove ANYTHING, it must be recreated by Man. Neither can.
When you come down to it all, it depends on you. Personally, I find it more difficult to believe that all this just happened as a coincidence. Just the right little atoms combined together, just right, over and over? and I'm here, without purpose, without any great plan? I just can't grasp that concept as easily as I can see that it was all made. Look at the basic art in nature! So many little things are repeated patterns. How can it all just be coincidence? And if Man really DID evolve, why don't we have any proof? There is nothing between ape and Man, scientifically. Sure, there are mere cromosomal differences, but those appear throught everything. When you look at DNA itself, the differences are vast.
I'll raise the stakes. I have read the bible, and it did not convince me of the existence of God. If any person here can prove God exists, I will use their system of Religion as a token of appreciation. Not to unreasonable, right?
I wish I could just prove something to you, but I can't. It's something that God will do if you open your eyes and be receiving. If it's His will, you will see. I'm sorry, friend, that I can't give you a rock-solid answer that can be felt and touched. As it's been put so many times, He is like the wind-- you just have to believe it's there. You can't see, hear, touch, taste, or smell it. But when it comes to you, you'll know it's there. Then you'll feel it.
~psy Dammit PP, your smart and think just like me......
And about what you said I would just like to add a few points:
Some of you dont beleive in god because there is no proof.....
Alright so this world created itself, our planet just happened to be at the right distance from the sun so that it doesnt burn and at the same time we need it to live, the resources we use to live just happened to exsist (wood,oil ect.)...I think its the people who dont beleive in god that need to show proof...God created time and space he doesnt need them, you cant say god is somewhere because he is nowhere and everywhere at the same time....he doesnt need to comunicate to us through sonund or light, life has been given to us as a test, we either follow the right way or the wrong way for 60/80 years and then we die..theres no turning back then we must face what we deserve.....
One last thing im sure that there is no human being alive that deep inside him beleives that god deos not exsist....thats my opinion whats yours?.... i see god every day, when i look in the mirror. It's ME :D
i do think there is something, but i'm not sure if a supreme being is out there some where. and a evil supreme being down in the earth or somewhere else.
i don't need proof, if HE whants to show himself to me then let him come :) Originally posted by tHe aRcHeItEcT
Dammit PP, your smart and think just like me......
ROFL!!! That's a scary thought... ;) I just know how to manipulate words to sound smarter than I am .... don't let that fool you....
Freddy, you have a valid point. Really, IMO anyone who believes in something believes that their "supreme being" revealed itself to them that they may be able to follow it. If you haven't experienced anything, why believe? That's how I was for a very long time. It wasn't until the last two years that it all started making sense- I'm still very new to all this, to be quite honest. I can think I know the truth, or at least a part of it, but I really WON'T until I die. And if I'm wrong, I may not even learn then. I'll just die believing a lie, almost like Morpheus. But I'm OK with that, because I choose to believe and follow. Really, what's the worst thing that could happen if I'm wrong? I'll admit I like myself the way I am more now than I felt about the "me" a few years ago. Now I feel like I have something, something to live (and die) for. Then I didn't. I just thank God daily now that those attempts failed... Originally posted by PsycikPsycho
I wish I could just prove something to you, but I can't. It's something that God will do if you open your eyes and be receiving. If it's His will, you will see.
Well, I hope it doesn't turn out that God constantly talks to me like the bum in the park downtown, because then you can never do anything else. It's not like you can say, "hold up a minute, God, I need to go take a shower." Then you end up smelling like a bag of crap. Originally posted by Crap-Bag
Well, I hope it doesn't turn out that God constantly talks to me like the bum in the park downtown, because then you can never do anything else. It's not like you can say, "hold up a minute, God, I need to go take a shower." Then you end up smelling like a bag of crap.
Your going a bit off-topic.....so anyway another question on this topic what do you think happens as soon as your soul is taken from you and you no longer are in this world........
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