The Passion

Who has heard of Mel Gibson's new movie "The Passion?" What do you think of it?

No i havent heard of it what is it about?

Yes I've heard of it, but I don't like the sounds of it. I'm Jewish, and it's supposed to be very anti-semitic

Wait, is "The Passion" about Christ? I think it was... If it is, I'm wondering how it will turn out.. Most Christ movie lack action, and blood, and bullet-time..:p

HU

I heard it was good. Even the Pope has seen it n said it was good. What everybody has to realize, it is just a movie with somebody else's view in Christ. No body is ever right about that topic. We were not there to know what really happened. So here is a movie with someone's else's view to it, just don't put too much in it, n just watch it with no meaning, as it is another fictious movie.......Sry i just thought I should say that.........

The pope watched it? Wow.. I didn't know he could keep his head up for so long...

Well, I guess it is about christ.. Didn't know that movie was out yet. Is it out yet? I would like to see it...

HU

I think it is in another language, I forgot which one, Latin maybe. Mel Gibson didn't want it to have subtitles, maybe he changed his mind about that......I think it is out, or it may be coming out really soon....I am so sry if I am no help, lol.

Latin? COOL.. Now I definitely want to see it.. Does remove the realism though, as in those days most roman legionares spoke greek, and Jesus and his bunch spoke Hebrew...

HU

I may be wrong....sry.......Why don't u do a search on the internet for the Movie. I bet it more clearer than what I was telling u, LM(_I_)O :D.

It's in Latin and Aramaic, the movie comes out 25 February its about the last 12 hours of Jesus's life, it may or may not have subtitles I know the one that came out everywhere else didnt have any

Well, some peopel may know people, but Amaic? No one knows that language apart from a few specialists. It's more dead than Christ! Bad comparison probably, but it's dead anyhow.

At least Latin is still a language used by some people...

HU

well Aramaic is similar to Arabic so if you understand Arabic the you will probaly understand some of the movie, anyway the Aramaic version wasnt that widespread

Made a spelling error in previous post. Oh well.

Now you have me confuzzled. Is it a movie in Aramaic and Latin, or is it a movie in either latin, or Aramaic?

HU

It is a movie in either Latin or Aramaic

Well I guess Mel can thank Peter Jackson for opening up the 'fiction/fantasy' genre to new audiences...

Originally posted by Helios
well Aramaic is similar to Arabic so if you understand Arabic the you will probaly understand some of the movie

I know arabic so I'll probably understand it....but It will be banned from the cinema for where I live...

From what I hear "The Passion" is about the last 12 hours of the life of Christ. It is supposed to be very gorey. I hear it is supposed to be in Aramaic with subtitles but it does not come out til next week so I will wait and see. It is supposed to be very moving and yes the Pope did see it. I am going to see it the first week(I wish the first day but my mother will be out of town, lol) I cannot wait to see it. What do you guys think of the idea?

it is in aramaic AND latin and will be subtitled in the us

Originally posted by HomoUniversalis
Wait, is "The Passion" about Christ? I think it was... If it is, I'm wondering how it will turn out.. Most Christ movie lack action, and blood, and bullet-time..:p

HU

what are you talking about dude, a Christ movie will have plenty of blood in it....

Plenty of blood? Doubtful, each version that I have seen claimed to give an independent view, but each time used the Bible to depict the death and life of Christ, instead of taking the Koran for example, where it is illustrated a lot better in, at least they didn't change the facts or the language a dozen times.

Anyhow, every movie I saw about Christ had absolutely no blood in it, which makes me kind of sad, since I like blood :(...

HU

Originally posted by redqueen
it is in aramaic AND latin and will be subtitled in the us

No, the movie will be in either Latin OR Aramaic, both languages wont be in the same movie, and yes the movie will be subtitled in the us,

someone already asked this, its in my above post

Well, maybe some words of Latin have the same meaning in Aramaic, so you may both be right ;). Anyhow, are they actually going to record every scene twice in different languages? It just seems so.. expensive...

HU

Originally posted by Helios
No, the movie will be in either Latin OR Aramaic, both languages wont be in the same movie, and yes the movie will be subtitled in the us,

someone already asked this, its in my above post

i know it was, i was contridicting you and Mel Gibson said both would be in the movie


as for blood, it's rated r because of it so i'm asuming that there will be some

Originally posted by redqueen
i know it was, i was contridicting you and Mel Gibson said both would be in the movie


as for blood, it's rated r because of it so i'm asuming that there will be some

Blood.. yummy.. As I stated in my previous post, your explanation sounds most reasonable, since I find recording two versions a bit expensive and overdone...

What's the purpose?

HU

"The Passion"? GREAT! I'll get right on that movie... :S This is exactly what this world needs, more brain washing about religion and bull$h!t. No wonder this world is going to h3ll in a handbasket. (Not that I believe in h3ll. Just a saying.)

Not the One, AnotherOne

the movie most likely was not filmed in two languages but one of them probaly the Aramaic one was dubbed, meaning it was not filmed in that language but was added "over", like in a lot of Oriental movies where you can really realy tell that they are not speaking english





Helios Inferno

For all you blood hungry freaks, let me just say that this will not be your average, run-of-the-mill Jesus movie. This will be very gorey and have a lot of blood. It goes into every detail of Christ's crucifixion. And Helios might be right. It may have been dubbed over and all of us non-Aramaic speaking people would never know the difference. I don't know how it was filmed but it doesn't seem very logical tofilm it twice now does it? And if you don't have anything worth-while to say *cough* AnotherOne *cough* than don't post because we don't want to hear it.

Hmmm... Gore.. We likes gore..

Dubbing? God, I hate it when they do that.. I hope the person who thought of that is dead.

My tv receives German networks as well, and they never subtitle anything there.. Instead they get this really annoying German dude (or Dudette (actually, I'm not sure.. They may all be guys, judging by the voices)), and they replace the text.

They do this in movies, in the news.. Everywhere... It's very scary.

HU

Well, this movie looks very well done, and in the form of Mel Gibson, very gory. I am hopefully going to go see it tonight (a sneak preview). What I find interesting is that many churches in my area are taking their youth groups (11-17) to go see it. That surprises me because of the R rating.

well dubbing has gotten a lot better than it used to be, some of its ok, I remember the Horrible dubbing in the old Godzilla movies
I hope they dont dubb this movie i would rather it Latin and read the subtitles

now days they actually tend to get someone of that nationality to do the dubbing, like in a russian news brodcast or something they might get an actaul russian, that speaks the language they are dubbing it to of course so that there will still be knowing that it is russian



Helios Inferno

Well, I'm not going to elaborate on my knowledge of latin, since it is rather limited, and if it is written down, I can most of the time guess it's meaning, since my own language borrows quite some words from it, as does French, one of the other languages I was forced to learn at school :(.

Anyhow, if that movie is translated Latin, I will not be able to read it, and frankly I don't think anyone could, since no one really masters a language like that, easily. Why would anyone want to read latin fast anyway?

So, I seriously hope that the subs are English or Esperanto..

Dubbing good? Not in my country, or Germany... We hates it!

HU

PS, I was kidding about the Esperanto.. Would be cool though, if they found a way to spread Esperanto across the world, but that is another issue...

well Latin is the basis for almost all Euoropean languages except English, Frishian, Franconian, Dutch, Norweigian, Swedish and Danish

well thats what i meant the subtiltes would be in English, I wouldnt expect them to put the subtitles in Latin

I never said dubbing was good i dont like it either :D

*wow. Suddenly I regret being away for two stinking days*


Ok, "The Passion of Christ" is only being called "Anti-semetic by NON-JEWS. Many actors/actresses in the film were Jewish, and all say they weren't offended.

The movie is entirely in Hebrew (the Isrealites' native language) and Aramaic (the language of the time and place), but there will be subtitles for it all. This meant that the actors/actresses in it also had to learn the languages, for the most part.

It recieved an "R" rating due to the realism involved. If you read what all went on when Christ was crucified and what all happens when being hung on a cross, it gets kind of gross (but fun, I'll admit, for those who like blood and the like :) )

The whole story is based (Very closely) on the first four gospels of the Bible (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John).


I encourage everyone (of any faith) to see it :)

Yes, Christ was brutally beat. If you have never read the four gospels, Christ was badly beat. He was lashed by cat-tails, which is a type of whip with multiple tails and glass or something of the like attached to the end. They said that 40 lashes would kill someone and Jesus was lashed 39. Then he had to drag his own cross. When he got to his destination, they nailed his wrists and feet to the cross and rammed a crown of thorns on his head. When he died, they rammed a spear through his side just to make sure. And if it is as real as they say, you will see a lot of blood.

I hope they got one thing right though and thats when he actually gets put on the cross in so many pictures/paintings ect. he is nailed through his hands, its not possible the hand couldnt support the weight and would just rip out in between the fingers

That, or the hands would fall off.. The wrists are much better.. Or you might just use either side of the cross as a gallow.. Saves wood, and with wood, the environment!

HU

i hate to say it but i *think* they do nail through his hands because i saw a picture of mel gibson's cameo, which is basically mel's hand holding a nail and piercing through christ's hand

I want to say that they don't drive the nails through his hands, only because this movie is supposed to be the MOST realistic depiction of the life of Christ. I mean, all the dialogue is in Aramaic - I can't believe they would put that much care into detail, and then put something unrealistic like that in there. That's something I'll be looking for when I see it Thursday :D

Originally posted by Helios
I hope they got one thing right though and thats when he actually gets put on the cross in so many pictures/paintings ect. he is nailed through his hands, its not possible the hand couldnt support the weight and would just rip out in between the fingers

Riiiiiiiiight............THAT'S the MOST unbelievable thing about the story of Jesus Christ!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!

Sweet Jeeeesus, get a grip, man!

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo
Riiiiiiiiight............THAT'S the MOST unbelievable thing about the story of Jesus Christ!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!

Sweet Jeeeesus, get a grip, man!

What about it all do YOU find so "unbelievable"?

Originally posted by PsycikPsycho
What about it all do YOU find so "unbelievable"?

The bit at the beginning, the bit at the end and the bit in the middle...plus the other bits too...

So, do you believe that Jesus even lived? Sorry, but if you want me to see your side on this, you DO have to give a little...

I think it'll be fine if you don't take it too seriously... My (Jewish) friend got tickets for the first showing. BOO-YAH!

Update:

A friend of mine who manages a local movie theater just got back from watching it (one of the perks of working at a theater), and he claims it's the goriest film he's ever seen.

Should be rather interesting, indeed.

So Ou Be Low hoo, you don't believe anything of the story of Jesus? News flash, history shows that he lived during the time period stated. It also shows that he was crucified. Whether it proves his miracles, well I would doubt it. I don't understand how someonecould believe in a superior race of aliens but not in Jesus. It doesn't make any sense.

I am just looking forward to seeing the movie, n I am forgetting about the critics..Its a freakin' about Jesus Christ, when it comes to that, nobody is right nor wrong. We were not there to say what happened n what did not happen......For r those people who r rejecting to movie, I say that they r closed minded, n they have to realise 'its a freaking movie'........Did u know while filming this movie (AGGHHH, I forgot his name, who plays Jesus Christ) he really got whipped with the whip, n he also got stroke by lightining.......That must of been a rough movie to film for him.

He did live, but was not called Jesus Christ until after his death. Jeshua ben Joseph (Yeshua ben Yoseph), or Joshua, son of Joseph, did indeed live at that time. As for his miracles, I'm very skeptical.

This is not meant to offend anyone:

The Passion Of Christ (As Casted By My Friend And I):

Jesus Christ - Samuel L. Jackson

Judas - Danny Devito

Pontious Pilot - Ahnold Schwartzaneggar

Peter - Sean Connery

The Other 11 Desciples - The Fab 5, The Backstreet Boys ,and Keanu Reeves

Guest Appearences:

Mary - Janet Jackson

Joseph - Justin Timberlake

wow. That wouldl be an...interesting film....

You should try to arrange such a movie ;)

Originally posted by Apollyon
So Ou Be Low hoo, you don't believe anything of the story of Jesus? News flash, history shows that he lived during the time period stated.

Oh great...another one who can't read or even comprehend the difference between 'a story' and 'history'...I said I don't believe the STORY of Jesus, not that there wasn't some dude with long hair, a goatee and a pair of sandles walking about way back...

I read in the movie website that the actor play Jesus (forgot his name) learned Aramaic for the movie so I think it won't be dubbed. He even got hit by lightning and just stood up and walked away.

Also, I've read the CrankyCritic review, which says that those who don't know the Bible won't really get the movie. And also that some scenes will be too gruesome for little kids. That's a hint on how gory it would be.

Originally posted by sm4113r
He even got hit by lightning and just stood up and walked away.


WOW...so profound...it must mean the second coming...as he said in The Book of Lebowski, 1:12, "Don't phuck, wid da Jeeesus!"

well the movie came out yesterday here it was all over the news mostly they were saying it was very bloody and anti-semetic, personally I dont mind the blood not one bit makes it more realistic, well then again most of the people that said it was too bloddy were preist and rabbi's that say the movie I understand that they are preist and such but come on there havent been any other jesus mivies that really show what he went through as far as physical pain, I was watching the daily show they had one of their "fake" reporters that saw the movie repoting in and he had taken his son to see the movie and he had asked "daddy why are they beating tha man" "well because he loves everybody" lol ironiccally funny lol

So did anyone here actually SEE it yet?

I just got back from seeing it an hour or so ago, and must say it's a brutal film. Not as gory as I'd expected, but it is pretty violent. Nonchristians would be able to follow it just as easily as Christians, so don't let that garbage worry you. I highly suggest you guys go see it; it's an interesting film, to say the least.


On a side note, it was on the news yesterday that a woman went into seizures while watching it, probably as a result of the graphic nature of many scenes, and died.
It's not a film that would be good to take the young'uns to, but is good for those who don't mind a bit of blood. Even good for those who DO mind a bit of blood, IMO.

For those Monica Bellucci (sorry if I misspelled that) fans out there (aka "Persephone" in M2 and M3), she's in The Passion as well. Not quite the same character as in Reloaded/Revolutions, though...
;)

I am going to see "The Passion" tomorrow(Saturday) at 12:30. I cannot wait. As for the movie it's self, here are some random facts, statistics and rumors:
"The Passion" opened in 3,006 theatre's nationwide.
"The Passion" earned an estimated $15-20 million opening day alone. Mel Gibson thought the movie would make a total gross of $30 million throughout the entire run.
Jim Caviezel (Jesus) got struck by lightning twice, from what I hear.
The hand that held the nail that nailed Jesus to the cross was Mel Gibsons left hand.
A woman died in the theatre during Christ's crucifixion.
A man returned two tickets after viewing "The Passion" because he didn't think it was a good movie to take his young child to. (Sorry, I put that one in there for humor, it humored me.)

Thats about it, I'll let you know if I hear more.

thanks for the info and enjoy the show :)

A couple more facts:

Jim (the guy playing Jesus) was also accidentally hit with the whip during the filming and it ripped off a bit of skin (ow!!)

They made a grand total of $33.6 million on opening day

A man in Texas actually paid for every seat in a theater complex (multiple theaters) so that anyone who wanted could see the movie. The 6,000 seats cost him around $42,000!

Originally posted by PsycikPsycho
thanks for the info and enjoy the show :)

A couple more facts:

Jim (the guy playing Jesus) was also accidentally hit with the whip during the filming and it ripped off a bit of skin (ow!!)

They made a grand total of $33.6 million on opening day

A man in Texas actually paid for every seat in a theater complex (multiple theaters) so that anyone who wanted could see the movie. The 6,000 seats cost him around $42,000!

where did you get your opening day information??? it took in 23.5 million on wednesday itself and then three million from churches w/ advanced showings on monday and tuesday.

**** 'The Passion'...go and buy 'The Life Of Brian' instead...

"Always look on the bright side of life..."

Originally posted by redqueen
where did you get your opening day information??? it took in 23.5 million on wednesday itself and then three million from churches w/ advanced showings on monday and tuesday.

I got my info from msn.com on Thursday
Were did you get yours?

Hmm, interesting thread you've got going here.
As for the language issue, it is mu unserstanding that the Romans speak Latin and the Jews speak Aramaic, which is a little stupid since in reality the Romans spoke Greek, and the Jews a lot of Hebrew and occasionally Aramaic. Looks to me like someone wanted to seem impressive. Like with all that thou thee speaketh crap (and sorry if I'm not making any sense).
It is also my understanding that the fascists here in Israel banned the screening of the movie, which is disturbing in regard to the state of our so called democracy, but it's not like I was gonna watch the movie anyway. Seems incredibly going. I mean, 2 hours and a half seeing a guy get the **** kicked out of him? Come on, that gets boring after a while. We had enough of that in Revolutions. And if the Passion of the Christ is nearly as bad as that movie, which is very likely, then the christians are likely to have millions of their minions switch faiths. I almost did that with the Matrix. But there I am spewing random crap again.
HU, I understand (yeah, I know I've been doing a lot of understanding lately) that is the goriest and most violent film of all time, but that might be the fascist governmental propoganda again.

So, any spoilers? :D

Oh, and Ou Be has got some good points there about Holy Grail and Big Lebowski. I have no doubt in my mind that these movies are much more important in building your spirituality than this Gibsony cowpat. :)

From my understanding (which could be a little messed up due to sleeping through certain classes), Koine Greek was the common language to the Roman empire and the rest of the eurasian world.

Hebrew was the Israelites' original language, but had been lost through years of exile. Around the time of this movie, only the Pharisees, sadducies, and priests spoke it. All other Jews spoke Arimaic and Koine Greek.
Similarly, Latin was the political language of the Romans.

This is why, altough he and his disciples primarily spoke Arimaic, the New Testament was written in Greek, and the Old Testament was in Hebrew.



Originally posted by freeyourmind
So, any spoilers? :D


Jesus dies... ;)

Originally posted by PsycikPsycho
I got my info from msn.com on Thursday
Were did you get yours?

from boxofficemojo

I havent seen the movie yet, although it sounds good, a bit of blood and glory never hurt anyone...
I have read the book though.. haha ;)

Ou Be Low Hoo is right actually. The title messiah was less than common in that time, but not unique. He received the name Jesus after he died. The story of Christ, and history are impossible to match. The historical jesus might just be talking about Brian (I love that move...).

There is no way we can verify this story, or any fact in the Bible, the Catholic Church made sure of that, they made it an issue of belief, and religion, while believing in a person requires a person. No one can prove to me that Jesus existed, nor can anyone prove that Jason (of the legend: Jason and the Argonauts) existed. It might just have been a legend people liked to talk about.

I guess Jesus was legendary after all.

HU

In that case, HU, how can we believe anything? He recieved the name Jesus when he was born. There is no way we can verify anything. How do we know that the war in Iraq happened? How do we know evolution happened? How do we know whether or not anything happened unless we were there?

Yes i saw it. it was amazing. i cried through like half of the movie. it was so powerful. i hope everyone was touched by it. o and BTW the guy who played Jesus is named Jim Cavizel (dont know how to spell the last name)

PsycikPsycho, i assume your spoiler post, with the lil winking smiley, wasnt you laughing that he died but it was just like to be funny like "duhh of course he dies"

freeyourmind, i just read you post about not wanting to see the movie because it would suck like matrix 3. well just because someone is a christian, doesnt mean they have to go see it. i mean whether you see it or not, doesnt say anything about the strength of your faith. and just to let you know, it didnt suck. it was amazing. it really touched me and i saw what Jesus went through for me,... for you. I wish everyone could and would see it.

o and it wastn real gory at all. i mean house of the dead (which happened to be the stupidest movie i've ever seen) was more gory than The Passion...

Originally posted by NeoLivesOn
freeyourmind, i just read you post about not wanting to see the movie because it would suck like matrix 3. well just because someone is a christian, doesnt mean they have to go see it. i mean whether you see it or not, doesnt say anything about the strength of your faith. and just to let you know, it didnt suck. it was amazing. it really touched me and i saw what Jesus went through for me,... for you. I wish everyone could and would see it.

o and it wastn real gory at all. i mean house of the dead (which happened to be the stupidest movie i've ever seen) was more gory than The Passion...
I'm not Christian, I'm Jewish, but I'm always interested in good movies. I'm not going to be able to see the movie in the cinema so if I choose to see it I'll have to take an unusual step and download it off kazaa.
But first, explain to me, is the movie really only about how much Jesus suffered? Because if that's the case then I can't see how a non-christian would be able to appreciate it. It's very sad to see a guy getting the crap beaten out of him for two hours, but still, suffice to say, bloody boring.
Any plot? Any acting? Anything else than whips and blows flying around? Cause damn, man, what I heard so far sounds like very lame Christian propoganda...

it really wasnt lame christian propaganda, as i saw it yesterday and was extremely powerful, but if you are squeamish, i dont recommend seeing it. the flogging and the nailing were the most brutal parts.

it didnt show anti-semitism, it showed how chaiaphas and the pharisees were overbearing and trying to get jesus killed. pontius pilate did look rather weak, but that was only because jesus had no crime against rome. there were many jews that were crying when he was carrying the cross, and many tried to help him.

and for me and some other people, it is just a story and stories are just that, a story, told from a certain perspective and in this day and age, one cant do anything without offending someone

i do recommend the movie to anyone who wants to see a very powerful story and read subtitles

*sorry I took so long to reply....*


I agree, NeoLivesOn, that there ARE gorier movies out there, but few have as much of a PLOT as this one does. It IS more than just Christian propaganda (thankfully! Otherwise, I probably would have burnt down the theatre after the viewing in disgust...I hate propaganda trash that is of little other value).

As far as cinematic experiences go, I honestly think it was pretty good. It just ALSO covers a story that is very special to me (and many other people as well, I assume).

And, don't worry, NeoLivesOn, you assume correctly :D I'm one of those idiots that also told everyone that the Titanic sank in the end...
(o'course, the death isn't just the end ;) )

What I DO ask those who go and see "The Passion" is that they DON'T go in with sky-high hopes. If you do that, you're only setting yourself up for disappointment, no matter WHAT the movie is.

"Aim low, achieve your goals, avoid disappointment"
but most importantly, enjoy the movie and at least think about what it has to say. Please.

ya know whats hilarious the other day after watching the movie when I told someone they asked and i quote "how did it end" lol lol

anyway from a movie watching point of veiw it was pretty good its not something that i'll watch over and over or even buy but it was a good one time watch

Originally posted by Helios
ya know whats hilarious the other day after watching the movie when I told someone they asked and i quote "how did it end" lol lol

anyway from a movie watching point of veiw it was pretty good its not something that i'll watch over and over or even buy but it was a good one time watch


lol haha lol
How did you say it ended? ;)


I agree with you on not wanting to buy it... I highly doubt I will. Still, it's a good movie to see (and, IMHO, best to see in Theatres).

I'd rather nail myself to a cross than see this piece of **** Xian travesty of a movie.

The movie was amazing. It was the best rendition of Jesus Christ I have ever seen. It had flashbeacks of him with his disciples and mother and Mary Magdeline and such and, like other movies, he did not make himself all high and mighty. He looked like a friend rather than a ruler. It shows Jesus with Satan and his closest disciples in the Garden of Gethsemane(and I probably spelled that wrong so I apologize). It was good. And Satan was really creepy and very A-sexual which was really cool. It was just incredible. And please, if you don't have anything edifying to say, keep it to yourself.

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo
I'd rather nail myself to a cross than see this piece of **** Xian travesty of a movie.


How do you KNOW it's so bad if you have yet to see it?
Please don't trash things until you've taken an OBJECTIVE look at the situation and evaluated it fully.

Originally posted by Apollyon
And please, if you don't have anything edifying to say, keep it to yourself.

Here's something edifying for you...Don't buy into the racist and religious propaganda that this film can incite.

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo
Here's something edifying for you...Don't buy into the racist and religious propaganda that this film can incite.
Racist?...how? If ur saying the film is making jews look like the bad guys ur wrong, The film shows how it probaboly was back then the jews had to have been more aggressive , If u still disagree then how did Jesus get killed?...by the jews going to pilot and saying "oh this is a really bad guy, would u please kill him for us?", They wanted Jesus dead and they were going to say anything to get it done which they did.

Originally posted by The One Himself
Racist?...how? If ur saying the film is making jews look like the bad guys ur wrong, The film shows how it probaboly was the jews had to have been more agresave, If u still disagree then how did Jesus get killed?...by the jews going to pilot and saying "oh this is a really bad guy, would u please get him killed for us?", They wanted Jesus dead and they were going to say anything to get it done which they did.

I have no idea what any of this means.

Allow me to put it in Layman's terms then. The Jewish religion was the religion of the day. With that religion comes High Priests. The High Priest of the day was Chiaphas. The High Priest was supposed to be second to none religiously and so when Jesus came along saying he was king of the Jews, the Jews wanted him dead. Pilot did not want to kill him because he found no wrong in the man but the Jews, along with everyone else, wanted him crucified. The Pope went to a private viewing of The Passion and said "it is as it was." This movie is anything but anti-semitic(anti-Jews for all you poeple who don't understand big words).

Originally posted by Apollyon
Allow me to put it in Layman's terms then. The Jewish religion was the religion of the day. With that religion comes High Priests. The High Priest of the day was Chiaphas. The High Priest was supposed to be second to none religiously and so when Jesus came along saying he was king of the Jews, the Jews wanted him dead. Pilot did not want to kill him because he found no wrong in the man but the Jews, along with everyone else, wanted him crucified. The Pope went to a private viewing of The Passion and said "it is as it was." This movie is anything but anti-semitic(anti-Jews for all you poeple who don't understand big words).

before you start acting all smart and adding the ass in the smart, you spelled Pontius Pilate wrong. dont belittle people with this tone of voice "for all you people who dont understand big words." your mouth can get you into big, but in this case it is your fingers. and as a tip, stay a step ahead of Ou Be, otherwise he always is gonna get you. just some advice for you.

Well sorry if I made 1 mistake. I spelled his name wrong, big deal. I can point out many grammatical errors from other people but I don't. Which is mostly the reason I went off on Ou Be. I understood what TheOneHimself was saying even if it was in bad English. Ou Be's just a jerk from what I can tell.

Originally posted by Apollyon
Well sorry if I made 1 mistake. I spelled his name wrong, big deal. I can point out many grammatical errors from other people but I don't. Which is mostly the reason I went off on Ou Be. I understood what TheOneHimself was saying even if it was in bad English. Ou Be's just a jerk from what I can tell.

I'm sorry, but your post was the epitome of ALL grammatical errors. I understand that English may not be your native language - which would explain your difficulty in mastering it - but my innocent reply was regarding the fact that I, an Englishman, had great difficulty in deciphering any statement out of what was obviously a retort to a previous post by myself.

I feel hurt and saddened by your attempted character assassination on myself, but like Jesus...I forgive you for your sins.

Praise The Lord.

I understand that the post had horrifying English but that's not my point. I am also an English man but I didn't think it was as difficult to decipher as you're making it out to be. And I wasn't trying to "assassinate" your character. I'm just saying what I'm obvserving. But enough of this. This thread isn't about character degredation, it's about the movie. Can we leave it at that? I'm sorry it sounded like it did.

Originally posted by Apollyon
I understand that the post had horrifying English but that's not my point. I am also an English man but I didn't think it was as difficult to decipher as you're making it out to be. And I wasn't trying to "assassinate" your character. I'm just saying what I'm obvserving. But enough of this. This thread isn't about character degredation, it's about the movie. Can we leave it at that? I'm sorry it sounded like it did.

tried to warn you, dude

What are you talking about?

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And, don't worry, NeoLivesOn, you assume correctly :D I'm one of those idiots that also told everyone that the Titanic sank in the end...
(o'course, the death isn't just the end ;) )
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Lol PsycikPsycho thats what i thought you meant. :D its all good.

I really dont think it has anything to do with the jews themselves. I think some people might take it like the jews are the ones that killed jesus. Yes if you want to get all technical about it then the romans actually killed him BUT if it wasnt for you, me, for my pastor, your dad, his uncle, for anyone then Jesus would not have died. aiight well thats my opinion. peace out.

Yep, that pretty much sums it up NeoLivesOn, thank you. The best review I have heard about The Passion is when the Pope John Paul saw it at a private viewing and said afterwards "It is as it was."

it sucked ass

why is it i cant get away from discussion of this awful film. To be frank this is just another move by extremist christians to prove their "faith" is the right one. Pathetic, i will never watch this film, and if anyone would ever buy it for me i would burn it.

It's a free country, Traxada. Mel Gibson can do what he wants. If you don't want to believe him then that's fine. But don't disrespect his religiousness and commitment to make this film. You have to remember it was a risk for him to make it. None of the big studios would take it; they thought it was too risky, so he went off and made this film out of his pocket. Well, if you're going to talk about pathetic, a film came out around the same time, called The Book Of Mormon, Part 1. I call that pathetic, extremist mormons to prove their "faith" is the right one. I, unlike you, would watch it; not burn it, and I think you should watch the Passion too. It is a good movie in its own right, even if you don't look at the Christian element. Ebert and Roeper, possibly the top two critics in the US, loved it, and they are not Christians. Truth is, it's a good movie, and if you're so bitter towards Christianity then that's your problem. Mel gibson is not an extremist Christian. He's a conservative Christian. Extremist would mean resorting to violent means to uphold his religion as the greatest and best. So get off your high horse and quit acting all high and mighty, THAT is what I find pathetic.

Free Your Minds.

-neoizcool

Hmm.....if it was such a horrble movie I wonder why so many people went to see it.......

What was the film all about?

why is it i cant get away from discussion of this awful film. To be frank this is just another move by extremist christians to prove their "faith" is the right one. Pathetic, i will never watch this film, and if anyone would ever buy it for me i would burn it.

It's a free country, Traxada. Mel Gibson can do what he wants. If you don't want to believe him then that's fine. But don't disrespect his religiousness and commitment to make this film. You have to remember it was a risk for him to make it. None of the big studios would take it; they thought it was too risky, so he went off and made this film out of his pocket. Well, if you're going to talk about pathetic, a film came out around the same time, called The Book Of Mormon, Part 1. I call that pathetic, extremist mormons to prove their "faith" is the right one. I, unlike you, would watch it; not burn it, and I think you should watch the Passion too. It is a good movie in its own right, even if you don't look at the Christian element. Ebert and Roeper, possibly the top two critics in the US, loved it, and they are not Christians. Truth is, it's a good movie, and if you're so bitter towards Christianity then that's your problem. Mel gibson is not an extremist Christian. He's a conservative Christian. Extremist would mean resorting to violent means to uphold his religion as the greatest and best. So get off your high horse and quit acting all high and mighty, THAT is what I find pathetic.

Free Your Minds.

-neoizcool

OK, no...ah...nup....st....pff....don'...uh.
Lets just stop where this is about to go right here, this is a thread to review the movie, and we can all just see where this is going to go, people have the right to opinions, you want to discuss Christianity, go do it in the Christianity thread.
I will close this if I start seeing a religious discussion here. Do I make myself perfectly clear?

-Deleted due to irrelevance. Please stay on topic - UT

Yes, all valid points NIC, but not entirely what I was talking about I can see where this could go, and I don't want yet another thread turning into something we already have loads of.
So just appease me and shut up.
Unless you are commenting on the movie, I don't want to hear it, no telling me any crap like the post above, believe it or not I couldn't give a shit. Also I wasn't just talking to you (I'm sorry, you're not always the center of attention) I was talking to anyone that might want to start another "discussion" on fucking Christianity. I've had a guttful to be honest.

Hmm. Okay. But if you don't "give a shit" then why do you always come to tell me to shut up. I know it looked like the discussion could go there but it didn't and we had all moved on. I had left that comment behind me, and I was just looking back to see what other people would put, but nobody put anything, and in fact, OA and ichiban had both moved on. Sometimes I think you moderators are too antsy, always looking for possible problems.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll move on, like I had before.
OA, if you're being serious, the movie depicts the last twelve hours of the life of Christ.
Thank you all and good night.

Free Your Minds.

-neoizcool

Because its her job to make sure that discussions like this stay on topic, and not stray off into other topics, ie another christianity discussion. I agree, this time it didn't, but historically, especially with your involvement, they have. Its like the boy who cries wolf.

There was no wolf this time, but people get that used to one following you around that they carry a shotgun to see you anyways, a bit extreme I agree, but your reputation was your own making. Now I suggest that rather than arguing with me, or sniping at the staff by calling them antsy or whatever else, you either carry on posting on the film here, or move on to another thread, because baiting Eon and the rest is a sure fire way of gettin threads closed and yourself banned.

Please, be teachable on this one, they are the staff, this is their domain, if you don't like their rules and the way they want to run the show, there are plenty of other matrix forums floating round, go find one of them, otherwise, follow the rules they set.

-Deleted due to irrelevance. Please stay on topic - UT

NIC, check your inbox.

Um, okay.
Whatever you say, UT.
Back on topic.

Free Your Minds.

-neoizcool

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It's a free country, neoizcool. Traxada can do what she wants. If you don't want to believe her then that's fine. But don't disrespect her views and commitment to this forum. You have to remember it was a risk for her to make that post. None of the Christian members would take kindly to it; they thought it was too risque, so she went off and made this post out of bravery. Well, if you're going to talk about pathetic, a member came around about the same time that AO left, called neoizcool. I call that pathetic, extremist Christians to prove their "faith" is the right one. I, unlike you, would watch it; not attack her with reckless abandon. She is a good person in her own right, even if you don't look at the non-Christian element. Ebert and Roeper, possibly the top two critics in the US, loved it, and they rarely have a fucking clue as to what they're talking about, so don't bother listening to them. Truth is, we're all good people, and if you're so bitter towards non-Christians then that's your problem. neoizcool is not an extremist Christian by his definition. He's a conservative Christian by his definition. Extremist would mean resorting to violent means to uphold his religion as the greatest and best, by his definition. Traxada having a different definition of what an extremist is than neoizcool should be expected in a forum like this, and shouldn't get such an extremist response by members like neoizcool. So, neoizcool, get off your high horse and quit acting all high and mighty, THAT is what I, and a large percentage of regularly posting members here, find pathetic.

I mean, it was good for what it was, but it wasn't that great. I'm not saying I hate Jesus or anything, but I don't like the fact I'm sitting in front of my TV for over an hour watching the son of God get tortured. I mean, I'll watch things like Saw & Hostel which I sit through, but this is Jesus. The graphic nature of the film was great, but I've only seen the movie once since I bought it when it first released. I'm not to hyped up to see it again.