Agent Edwards
has any one noticed that there are alot of references to alice in wonderland in all 3 films. did the bros deliberatly do this.
(ps. hi im new)
(ps. hi im new)
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Agent Edwards has any one noticed that there are alot of references to alice in wonderland in all 3 films. did the bros deliberatly do this. (ps. hi im new) JWL3310 I do believe they completely meant to do this, it would have to be one hell of a coincidence otherwise. Jester They ment it. :PI KEANU Holic welcome, Agent Edwards! and yes, it was definitely intentional. stalin6025 There are quite a few references to "Alice In wonderland" in the movie, there are a few comparisons, there could be plenty more, but these are the main points... 1. Rabbits The most obvious scene is when Neo is told to "follow the white rabbit." Afterwards, he meets a woman who has a white rabbit tattoo on her shoulder. This is referred to again when he meets Morpheus: "I imagine right now you're feeling a bit like Alice, tumbling down the rabbit hole?" and "You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes." As a nice nod to Alice rabbits are seen on the tv in the Oracle's apartment (from the movie 'Night of the Lepus'). As for Alice, she meets a rabbit after falling down a rabbit hole and tries to follow him. 2. Names: Names in The Matrix are important meaning, often several meanings. Alice has a conversation about word meanings with Humpty Dumpty: "My name is Alice, but----" "It's a stupid name enough!" Humpty Dumpty interrupted impatiently. "What does it mean?" "MUST a name mean something?" Alice asked doubtfully. "Of course it must," Humpty Dumpty said with a short laugh. Later: "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you CAN make words mean so many different things." 3. Being late & laying blame: Choi is two hours late meeting Neo and Choi blames Dujour for it. The rabbit in Wonderland is constantly taking out his pocket watch and saying, "Oh, dear! Oh, dear! I shall be too late." He later blames Alice for making him late. 4. Dual personality: Agent Smith tells Neo that he has been living 'two lives.' Alice ponders the possibility of being two people, "But it's no use now to pretend to be two people! Why, there's hardly enough of me left to make ONE respectable person!" 5. Special Potions: Neo is offered a choice between the red and the blue pills, the consequences of which will be sleep or wakefulness. Neo is offered a cookie when he leaves the Oracle, "By the time you're done eating you'll feel right as rain." Cypher offers Neo a drink while they discuss Cypher's regrets. Alice spends a great deal of her journey finding bottles of liquid and food items that say "drink me" or "eat me," which affect her body in various ways. 6. Mirrors: When Thomas (Neo) has taken the red pill, he sees a mirror that becomes fluid, and begins to cover him; he then awakens in his pod. Alice enters the Looking-Glass world through a mirror that magically becomes fluid-like so she can climb into it. As Alice tells her kitten: "Let's pretend there's a way of getting through into it, somehow, Kitty. Let's pretend the glass has got all soft like gauze, so that we can get through. Why, it's turning into a sort of mist now, I declare!" 7. Water: Neo barely stays suvives his in the sewer after his 'birth.' Alice nearly drowns in a pool of her own tears. 8. What IS Real: A great deal of time is spent in both stories contemplating the nature of reality, and of dreams within dreams. Neo has a difficult time understanding that, in the Matrix, he is controlling his actions with his mind, not his body. For example, In the dojo Morpheus asks, "Do you think that's air you're breathing?" Alice has a conversation with Tweedledum and Tweedledee about the Red King while the King is asleep: "He's dreaming now," said Tweedledee. "And what do you think he's dreaming about?" Alice said, "Nobody can guess that." "Why, about YOU!" Tweedledee exclaimed, clapping his hands truimphantly. "And if he left off dreaming about you, where do you suppose you'd be?" "Where I am now, of course," said Alice. "Not you!" Tweedledee said contemptuously. "You'd be nowhere. Why, you're only a sort of thing in his dream!" "If that there King was to wake, " added Tweedledum, "you'd go out--bang--just like a candle!" "I shouldn't!" Alice exclaimed indignantly. And later in the conversation: "I AM real!" said Alice who began to cry. "You won't make yourself a bit realler by crying," Tweedledee remarked. "There's nothing to cry about." "If I wasn't real," Alice said--half laughing through her tears, it all seemed so ridiculous--"I shouldn't be able to cry tears." "I hope you don't suppose those are REAL tears?" Tweedledum interrupted in a tone of great contempt. Again, several chapters into the story Alice contemplate waking the King: "So I wasn't dreaming, after all," she said to herself, "unless--unless we're all part of the same dream. Only I do hope it's MY dream, and not the Red King's! I don't like belonging to another person's dream," she went on in a rather complaining tone, "I've a great mind to go wake him, and see what happens!" 9. Who AM I: Neo seems to struggle with what his life has meant up to this point. Trinity tells him, "the matrix cannot tell you who you are." Similarly, the Oracle cautions him, "Know Thyself." Alice struggles with her dream the same way Neo struggles: "Dear, dear! How queer everything is today! And yesterday things went on just as usual. I wonder if I've changed in the night? Let me think---WAS I the same when I got up this morning? I almost think I can remember feeling a little different. But if I'm not the same, the next question is, 'Who in the world am I?' Ah, that's the great puzzle! Later: Alice considers going into the woods where things have no names. "I wonder what'll become of MY name when I go in? I shouldn't like to lose it at all--because they'd have to give me another, and it wold be almost certain to be an ugly one." Once she is the woods, Alice does find herself unable to remember who she is. As Alice says, "Then it really HAS happened, after all! And now, who am I? I WILL remember, if I can! I'm determined to do it!" 10. Deja Vu: Neo sees a black cat twice, referring to deja vu. Alice asks a cheshire cat for directions while a "deja vu". 11. Asleep at the Wheel: Mouse is caught not paying attention and dies as a result. Alice meets a dormouse at the Mad Hatter's Tea Party who is constantly falling asleep. 12. Regret: Cyphers confession, "You know, um, I know what you're thinking, because right now I'm thinking the same thing. Actually, I've been thinking it ever since I got here. Why, oh, why, didn't I take the blue pill?" Alice expresses regret: "It was much more pleasant at home...I almost wish I hadn't gone down that rabbit hole--and yet--and yet--it's rather curious, you know, this sort of life." Source: Alice in MatrixLand (http://homepage.mac.com/kdavies/matrix/litref.html) Jester In the animatrix (detective story) Trinity says to the detective: You have to jump over 7 rivers ore something... This is from Alice in Wonderland....i think. :PI Agent Edwards ok thanks. i was just wondering. also in the scean with the woman with the rabbit tatoo the guy says "come on man u need to un-plug" maybe this is a refence tht soon neo will be unpluged from the martix viceversa Originally posted by Daniel, norway In the animatrix (detective story) Trinity says to the detective: You have to jump over 7 rivers ore something... This is from Alice in Wonderland....i think. :PI and on the wall of the mad detective "the Red Queen" was written and when the guy was chatting with trinity they talked about who was "through the looking glass" or something , this is one of the stories of Alice View Full Version : The White rabbit |