Does anyone remember the arab man in M3??

well in M2 if you look closely, when Neo, trinity, and morpheus are walking into the restaurant and towards Merv, to the left you see a type of guard taking the arab guy away. maybe he was there to ask merv his permission to bring sati in.

*oo exactly what is sati? she a program yes? but does she have a purpose? if she doesnt, is that why her parents needed to smuggle her in?

The arab man is Rama Chandra, or Rama Kandra, I don't know how to spell it and I don't have time to look at the credits for the movie (but if you do you'll know for sure). He's a program from the machine world, you know, the world of machines outside the matrix, where Neo goes at the end. His daughter was created out of love, has no purpose in the machine world (wasn't created to serve the machines with a purpose of her own), and so faced deletion. He smuggled her into the matrix to give her a chance at life.

If you listen closly to the conversation Neo has with the arab man (sorry i forget his name) at mobil station, You will relize that he says to neo
"Do you remember me? I was in the resturant"

Sati was smuggled into the matrix in threat of the merovingian.

yes, and i dont think he is arab, he is indian.
seti is the first program created without purpose, and this as you can already tell, will create a problem

Actually, he said this:

Neo: I know you.
Rama Chandra: Yes, in the restaurant of the Frenchman. I am Rama Chandra.

Originally posted by Valasher
He's a program from the machine world, you know, the world of machines outside the matrix, where Neo goes at the end.

im sorry valasher i know weve discussed this before but i still dissagree with you, my puropse isnt to argue with u
its rather to make others think about the topic
the mahine world is not the place neo goes at the end, that is 01,
there are many examples to argue this but i dont feel like going in to it now

anywaz sorry to go off topic, but there not much else to say about rama

The machine world is the world of machines programming and perhaps covers the globe by now, I'm not sure. One of the remaining cities and most probably the headquarters for machines is the city of 01. What do you think the machine world is?

Originally posted by NeoLivesOn
maybe he was there to ask merv his permission to bring sati in.


Rama Kandra gave Merv the Oracle's deletion codes in trade for bringing Sati in. He had to pay, not just get permission. It's one reason Merv gloats at that particular moment, "Tell the Oracle her time is almost up." He thought he'd just closed the deal that would enable him to delete the Oracle. But the Oracle is tricky; she just switched shells.

Originally posted by NeoLivesOn
well in M2 if you look closely, when Neo, trinity, and morpheus are walking into the restaurant and towards Merv, to the left you see a type of guard taking the arab guy away.

just one comment in the thread ( as i can see all the ques. have been already answered ) , Rama Chandra isnt arab ( im an arabian as you can see ) he's from India or Pakistan ( something like that ) but im pretty sure that he is not an arabian guy ...

thanks all and i hope i was useful for all of you ...

hey Valasher,
I sorry for making a statement like that and then not backing it up with support. im very busy but in the next couple of days i will try n search my old comments to remember my arguments.
but till then i have a question
when the oracle says
"neo is trapped somewhere between this world(the matrix) and the machine world"- when she says "machine world" is she referring to the real earth(including zion)? i alwaz assumed that this was not the case but was I wrong? what does everyone else think?

some thoughts are coming back to me
another idea is this( i may be wrong but this concept is hard for me to understand)
FIRST
Since neo is between the matrix and the machine world at the trainstation then the trainman MUST transport things between the machine world and the matrix.
IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS READ ON
if someone said "the machine world is the material place, the place that neo and trinity go at the end or revo, the same place that the people on the osiris go(basically earth)", this person would bw wrong
this person would be wrong because from my understanding
if a program was an inhabitant of the tangible machine world it would be impossible for the trainman to make a stop there.
He could only possible make a stop in a nonphysical computer world, a world much like the matrix but not the matrix. I now remember that over a month ago i described this world as a parralel world from the matrix. So all im trying to say is that we never see the machine world and the place neo and trinity are at at the end is NOT the machine world.

if you think i make a good argument and am right, please let me know
if i am wrong, please notify me of it and show me the truth,
i love talking about the matrix and figuring it out, wow its been so long since these thoughts last flew threw my head, thank god for this community

Originally posted by MatrixBeliever
hey Valasher,
I sorry for making a statement like that and then not backing it up with support. im very busy but in the next couple of days i will try n search my old comments to remember my arguments.
but till then i have a question
when the oracle says
"neo is trapped somewhere between this world(the matrix) and the machine world"- when she says "machine world" is she referring to the real earth(including zion)? i alwaz assumed that this was not the case but was I wrong? what does everyone else think?

some thoughts are coming back to me
another idea is this( i may be wrong but this concept is hard for me to understand)
FIRST
Since neo is between the matrix and the machine world at the trainstation then the trainman MUST transport things between the machine world and the matrix.
IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS READ ON
if someone said "the machine world is the material place, the place that neo and trinity go at the end or revo, the same place that the people on the osiris go(basically earth)", this person would bw wrong
this person would be wrong because from my understanding
if a program was an inhabitant of the tangible machine world it would be impossible for the trainman to make a stop there.
He could only possible make a stop in a nonphysical computer world, a world much like the matrix but not the matrix. I now remember that over a month ago i described this world as a parralel world from the matrix. So all im trying to say is that we never see the machine world and the place neo and trinity are at at the end is NOT the machine world.

if you think i make a good argument and am right, please let me know
if i am wrong, please notify me of it and show me the truth,
i love talking about the matrix and figuring it out, wow its been so long since these thoughts last flew threw my head, thank god for this community

When neo is in between the real world and the matrix: mobil station, it is in catholic religious terms he is in limbo.. a place of dead end, also a place where one who has not sinned goes in the decent of another world.
The fact at the start of REVO, they cannot track neo with the pill transmittor could mean that you are correct in saying that the place neo went to WAS NOT the machince world, because if the train station was in between the mahince world and the matrix, then it would of been known to use, that the merovingin had been to the machine world, see how is the one that created the train station in order to smuggle programs.
No free mind has ever seen the machine world, and the place neo went to could simply be all in his mind, that zion (matrix within a matrix theory) is apart of the matrix, and has programmed neo his fate. (M1: neo:: i do not believe in fate, i dont like the idea that i am not in control of my life)
I agree with your explaination MB, i know that alot of people dont believe in a MWM theory, i for one do, and i think your argument justify's its exsistance to a certain point..

im sorry stalin
could you try and explain what you were saying about the merovingian a little bit clearer.

the place neo went to when he was in a comma was all in his mind, or i mean to say that it was an out of body experience.
At first i thought the MIAM was untrue not i have the belief that it there are arguments both way and no one side is trogner than the other. i believe the WBs made it that way to keep us puzzled, maybe i give then too much credit thought, maybe it was just an accident. but if it wasnt i also think that they were not trying to say there was a MIAM( i alwaz thought it would just ruin the story) but suggest that it is a RIAR(reality in a reality).
Meaning
that there is no way to know if our reality is truly real or not, if we escape and go to a higher level of reality how will we know that it is the ultimate reality? is there any way it can be proven?
as for me i dont think humans will ever be able to answer that question

Sorry about the ****ty explanation, we had a black out for the past 30 hours, and i had to write the explanation quickly before it went off again.
ok the bit about the merovingian:

The trainman works for the Merovingain.
And the merovingain created Mobil station, to smuggle programs from the machine world to the matrix, the merovingain NEVER says that the train goes from the matrix to the machince world
So when trinity and morpheaus visit the oracle, from the the matrix, why does the train move to opposite way?
What i am trying to say, is that when neo is at mobil station, and the train comes from the machine world from the right hand side, the little girl Sati jumps on and is taken to the matrix, the train goes off to the left.
When morpheus and trinity come to get neo, they come from the matrix, yet the train comes in from the right yet again, and moves off to the left.
So were morpheaus and trinity really in the matrix world when they visited the oracle?
I dont think they were, if they really were in the matrix, then the train would of came in from the "left to right" not "right to left"

thats a good explanation stalin.
but i think ur reasoning may be different than others. ur saying that if mobil lane is between the two worlds then the train should be going in opposite directions to and from. but if u think of the traintrack as a loop, as in
1st stop: mobil lane
2nd stop: the matrix
3rd stop: the machine world
4th stop: mobil lane again
if
then this does not support the MIAM theory. i think it is whatever way u want to look at it. I dont remember if there was two tracks in mobil lane or one but i own revolutions so i will check soon, it its only one track then it has to be a loop

well i meant arab like Arabic meaning any arabic country IE: iraq, iran, syria *i'm part syrian*, afghanastan, etc.

Originally posted by NeoLivesOn
well i meant arab like Arabic meaning any arabic country IE: iraq, iran, syria *i'm part syrian*, afghanastan, etc.

just for your inf. , you can call country " arabic " when their mother tongue is arabic , and countries like Iran , Afghanistan , malizia , turkish , etc ... dont speak arabic , so you can call it an " islamic " countries , but contries like Egypt , " syria " , lebanon , etc ... speak arabic in so it is an arabian countries ;) ...