Education SUCKS!

I'm 15 in grade 10. In my math class, why are we learning about poraBLAHBLAH's and factoring....What I want to know, besides using it in grade 11, how is this going to help me in life?

School is a POS!

btw- HU, that badger site is the hizzle dizzle fo' shizzle!

The only thing i can think of is if you want to be a computer programmer or something like that. Then i'm pretty sure that it would be useful.

I seriously don't like school, because they are not teaching you what you need for the real world, they are ONLY teaching you how to take a stupid state-wide test (here in texas it's the TAKS test)

They have somehting like that here Ex, it's a EQAO, er something. Why don't the teachers teach us how to live and survive on the streets? ;)

Deus Ex, you have an awesome sig. man

haha, only in the tenth. i am this close to graduating from highschool and getting away from state-mandated school and take classes i really want in college. i am definitely not done with my education, but i am almost done with the stupid education.
5 1/2 months :D

MONEY. This is one of the main reasons we learn math, so that we can keep track of our money, and maybe even calculate if we do what with x amount of money, we can translate that into a greater amount of money, y.

The other reason would be for building and engineering, apart from computer programming, etc... There's many things that involve math, I only wish that the schools could provide you with real actual, and up to date reasons that you need this math. If someone says to you, I can help you learn to turn $50 into $5000 through investing and whatever, wouldn't you want to learn it?

we have to PSSA's here in PA. they are so dumb. I think equations and stuff are good to learn. when i go to collge i want to major in business management. i know i will have to be good in most math but like calculus? i dont think i'm gonna take that.

It's best to have citiizens of a nation that cant do math. It's easier to rip them off :) It is truely beneficial for someone to take a $10,000 loan to buy a brand new car. You get this hunk of plastik combined with steel, and you lose $10,000 which is roughly on average 1/3rd of the total net pay someone get's through a year. So you work your a$$ off for this $10,000 just to buy a car. Now this is of course going by American currency, since they are the dominate Imperialist. The worst thing you can do is to take that $10,000 loan, since your going to get ripped nicely on that $10,000 loan. A bank predicts usually they get on average 150% return back from a loan. Which is an additional $5000 for a $10,000 loan. So you spend $15,000 instead of $10,000 valued car. You put it on a 4 to 5 year payment plan and you get scr3wed ever more. Depending on what kind of payment plan you get. Currently it's set out at 0.4%, but 4 years ago is was around 8.9%, and in countries that have weaker economies your going to get a hillarious interest rate of 36% (Poland). So what do you do when you want to buy something? Do not use your credit cards. Although if you plan on buying a house then your basically forced into going for a mortgage. Same thing goes with your education/studies in College/University. Some students are forced to take the student loan's since they want to get ahead in life with a possible better future. And some can afford to pay direct cash for their studies. This is simply because they either starting working at a fairly early age and didn't waste their money on candy/food/other miscellanous thing's that truely dont matter. After 4 or 5 years of working Part-Time while also in High School, they can have a positive balance on their savings account of over $17,000. Also putting it into a interest growing account, it can accumulate over 2 years around $910.

So what do you do. If you know your parents are preparing to buy something that you do believe is completely useless (TV), take out food, >? whatever else, then just know how your loosing your money. Through your addictive state of not being able to save. Saving money is great, get's you ahead in life. This is mainly how I have been able to afford have $0 loan's, and also still $6000 balance on my savings account, after going 2 1/2 years in university. Also working the tax system is itself incredibly beneficial, and getting 2 scholarships also helps. But that only mean's you yourself have to care to know what you want to know. That can probably get you ahead in life. So start now or reep the consequences for the rest of your life. I dont mean to make this depressing to some, but basically that is what it boils down to.

Also having a + balance gives you relief, you dont have as much stress as you would have if you didn't have those kind of reserves for the future. I am not a fan of Credit Card companies, I will play the bank for a mortgage in a few years when I plan to buy a house in 5 years. This is of course if my "5 year plan' works. Which I do have confidence in.

So do as you may.

I'm not stopping you, getting played by the corporations/banks is jsut the way it's going to be.

you learn the things in high school (i think thats the term, i'm not familiar with the american school system), because you need to learn how to study.

doesnt matter if its latin, or living languages or math, you just need to learn how to think and study, they just want to prepare you for the real thing (university etc..)

anyway,just my 2cents:)

Well, my husband is a software developer, and he sure as heck doesn't use all the math he learned -- he uses very little of it, in fact. And he had to take so much math in the course of getting his programming degree that a few added classes allowed him to finish with a double major in math & cs!

However, that said, Achten has the right of it, and all that really matters is that it is required and therefore the real purpose that it serves is that it gets you one step closer to having the career -- and income -- that you want.

Just wait til you get to college; talk about pointless classes that you're required to take..... ;)

Remember I do not want to hurt your feelings (or touch you or your husband to the quick). I do not make doubts on it. I only mention some facts. So, do you mean that he writes programs or that he assembles them using ready routines. Because the last one, indeed, does not demand the maths knowledge. But when you want to write programs for effective music or movies encoding or fast environment (engine) of FPP games then you will need as much maths as possible. I agree that everybody should decide what she/he wants to achieve but nobody could get the diploma for nothing. It is your choice whether you want to learn or not. And it is not only about maths, but about any other subject that is connected to our specialization. In Poland we say – It is not obligatory for everyone to have high school or university degree.

Well about Poland. It is turning into a nice but not so nice **** box. It used to be a great country, it can still be a great country. But with all the stenches of corruption reeming from VP/P Miller, also from Former Communist party member Alexander, you can pretty much tell why Poland is in such a mess. I went on a brief tour at the Wroclaw Technical Institute to see where my father got his diploma in 73. Was a great Institute and can be even greater with continued progress in Poland intellectual society. I do not see education as any hassle at all. It is not only because of a future job, but it's also about progression of the mind. How you can satisfy yourself through knowledge. I have always loved and will love Mathematics and Biology, along with Physics. It is just what I prefer rather then read some bores about how horrible a political system is. What is best is the system(s) illustrated through scientific knowledge. Create a society based on continous self progression and self dependance, and through that way you can create a high demand for your 'product'.

As again with Poland, I am Polish, I know how it was, and all I have to say is, now it's truely a country I dont wish to visit. If it wasn't for it's historic castles and cities, then i'd probably never visit Poland. Although I can't visit Poland anyways since, I am still eligible to be drafted into the Polish army until im 26. It doesn't matter even though I am not a citizen of Poland, but of Canada, and that is where I have my citizenship. The Polish political philosophy it's up to where I was born not where I have citizenship. So I have restrictions on when I can visit Poland. Even if I am a University student I am eligible to be drafted into the Polish army once I step on Polish soil. So Poland can go kiss my *** since franckly I believe the Polish political system is a complete waste of time as so with any other political system.

RussianGod, this is why we don't have car or credit card loans. Or any other types of loans. We drive a crappy car made in 1991 that runs great, and cost us Under $1000, and will last us for this whole last year and then some. Why would I want to get screwed in a loan for a moving box? I wouldn't. I have a nice home, I don't need a nice car. My car has four doors and air conditioning, heating, and a radio. I'm happy with it. :)

Trin's_pimp - I'm pretty sure you're talking about parabolas there, lol. I hate those... A lot of the stuff you learn in school will never show up in your life again. Education is important for the obvious reasons, of course - Learning to read, write, do simple math, etc. The more advanced stuff, such as those parabolas, are used by only a handful of specific occupations. I remember starting a new section in Algebra II once. At the beginning of each section, it tells you how this math concept applies to life. The concept in this section that we spent the next 3 days or so on was only really going to be used by rocket scientists. Seriously, I'm not sure how many of us are going to grow up to be rocket scientists, but I'm sure it's not enough people to waste 3 days on. I suppose the reasons why they make us learn stuff like that is to jog our memories - you know, to keep our brains active. I guess it would also help develop study skills and whatnot.

Uwaga ABW i CBS patrza, sluchaja i czytaja. I am sorry for this introduction but, believe me, I had to do it. Is there anybody else ashamed to say I am from Poland. I agree that the Polish government, IRS, law, judges, police, health care, sucks. In fact almost everything sucks. But there are still people who do not. I have some idea how to change the situation without revolution. Always the poorest suffer because of revolution. As I wrote I have an idea but my friends who I told about it said that it is a suicide. And people in power will not let it happen. If you would like to know something more then just ask.

Morpher, no offense taken. :D

I'm not sure if this will answer your question, but he is lead developer in a small company that creates custom software for pharmeceutical companies. He is not a grunt, he actually does almost all of the coding himself, and assigns the lesser tasks off. He does use math occasionally to create, say, algorithms for his programs, but he'd be the first to tell you that 90% of the math classes he's taken were basically a waste of time. Basic algebra has been the most important math skill for him. I asked again to be sure. He also points out that graphics and/or video game design is a whole other world from what he does, and draws heavily on math.

I wish it wasn't so necessary to have a college degree here in the US..... but I've learned firsthand the huge difference that it makes.

Morpher,

The system in Poland during the Warsaw Pact times, was not the best it could of been, but it worked for over 40 years. There were restrictions as there were restrictions in all places. The biggest mood/atmosphere change in Poland occurred during 6 to 7 years from 76 to 83. These were the times when the "Solidarnosc" movement came to be out of Unionized strikes that were completely pointless in wanting more. When clearly Communism was the solution for Poland at the time. I myself feel ashamed when Pol's try to speak of Solidarnosc as a strong pride that should be held by all Pol's. I see it as a complete destruction of a system that benefited the people of Poland.

Also it is not a revolution that will happen, even though it is capable of occuring. It is merely the problems that are occuring with the Polish government spending $10 billion on contracts for buying Personnel Carriers for the Army from Finland (valued $1.8 billion), F-16 fighter jets (valued at $7.2 + billion) and the recent purchase of the Israeli anti-tank missles for I believe 3/4th of a billion dollars. Just to catch up to the 'standards' of the European Union. Which is another horrible idea created by the French. They have a ego that is incredibly high, but when it comes down to it, they can barely erupt out an inch (time to laugh :)).

It is a disappointment for Poland, I am ashamed also that as a former Pol, the Pol's deal with the Americans to persuade them that Poland is Americans friend. Which is just this idiotic ideal Pol's have towards America. Remember all that do not know. All of Poland's current 'democratic' political members were a part of the Communistic party. Even the current President of Poland was a part of the communist party starting in 76 (which is verified) contininuing throughout the 80's. So what exactly changed? Nothing.

Valasher, well that is true, it does the same purpose any other car would do. Take you to where you want to go. Just make sure the car is safe for the family.

Poland also can't afford to pay it's DOCTORS! They are atleast 8 months behind payments of their doctors in hospitals. Yet they can afford to spend $10 billion on military contracts, what a Democracy!

To Tempest01

OK. We've finally got the point. The most perfect situation would be that, that everyone knows what is about to do (an occupation, a specialization) in future. Then everybody should chose only the subjects and material range she/he needs. But I doubt it is not enough because we all change our employers and employers change their employees. That's why our knowledge must be wider. Where is the border? I don't think that there's anyone who knows the range. That's why we learn much more than we actually need. Nevertheless in most cases it is not enough. In fact we learn all our entire life.

BTW. I am sorry for my English. I still have a lot to learn. What an irony, isn't it? :) and thank you for "to learn firsthand" idiom.

To RussianGod.
I agree. You don't have to explain it for me. I live here and many times I was decided to leave and forget this country.
"I hate this place, this zoo, this prison, this reality, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell. If there is such a thing. I feel.. saturated by it. ...... And every time I do I feel I have somehow been infected by it, it's repulsive. I must get out of here. I must get free ....."
The only thing that makes me to stay here is my family, but soon we will be ready. And cause (fortunately) I am high qualified person I've found already a company that is waiting for me.

Morpher, your english is excellent, don't apologize for it.... I took 3 yrs of German (and lived in Germany for 1.5 yrs) and 3 college semesters of spanish (my mother's native language) and I'm not even a fraction as proficient in either language as you are in english.

You have a good point, though, that we don't know what our future holds, and that is enough of a reason to get as wide of an education as we can. It's still frustrating to have to spend so much time and effort -- and money -- on classes that, in the end, may actually do little for us. For example, I'm a landscape designer, but I learned far more gardening on my own than I did in any classes. It's unfortunate that a degree makes me more marketable, because with the degree comes thousands in school loans that have to be paid off...... and the bulk of my skills were learned in the field, not in classes.

You liked my point. So I will let you another one. You don't actually learn to be educated person. You learn to be able to acquire new range of material as fast as possible and, most important, to be able to quickly find it and select what you really need. That's why I think that (in general) three levels of education are to show you direction (I think the most teachers don't realize it):
primary school - basic knowledge, first using imaginations and games then knowledge pumping, almost no own decisions on problem solving, ready schemes, lots of tests
high school/college - wider range of knowledge, pushing to think, many solutions of the same problem, many tests, few exams
university - own student's work, lectures only to show the range of material, you must work almost alone to achieve good results, you must use your invention searching for books etc., few tests and exams.

Valasher, thats great! i'm glad to see someone who actually dosent NEED all the extras and stuff. whats the point of spending like 40-50,000 dollars on a cadilac with a DVD player, GPS system * i think thats the thing thats like a map er w-e*, and what not. I mean do you need to watch a dvd while driving?

ok well i do want a cadilac escalade just like the one the twins drove. thats such a great lookin SUV. lol. but anyway YOU GO GIRL!!! lol :D

Under $1000!?! Damn I hate Holland.
The only cars even coming remotely near that price do not have the ability to drive. If I would want a car, like yours, I would probably have to pay around $5000...

This has nothing to do with import export by the way, just with taxes. On the other hand, if I have to go to a doctor here, I have to pay very little compaired to the US.

It's all about priorities, I guess...

However a cheap car would be nice :)

HU

Knowledge is pointless, that's what's good about it.

Knowledge is, indeed, pointless. It is wisdom we should try to gain.

It would be wise, my friend..

HU

i have one year left of school, and i spent the last 4 years hating everyone and everything to do with school, then i relized that when i finish, i may not be ready to move out 'into the big mad world' so this year i will take it slow and see where it leads me.

i brought a car about 3 months ago, its a black Mazda 6 (i dont know if anyone has seen one before, but they are nice, they cost around AU$41, 000 (but my parents have freinds in high up places, so i only had to pay about 10 grand of it :D)

Thanks, NeoMeansNew.

Wow Stalin, that sound nice. Sometimes there's certain deals you can get on a car if you just graduated college and have a degree, but no job yet or you're about to start your career. I'm not sure how that works out in other countries though. I mean you'd still have to take out a loan, but you might get a cut on the interest rates.

well i have three jobs (2 of which i are midnight shifts, where i am usually online here) which helped pay for it. And the car was a kind of "back hand deal" you know the company car is given to another employee, that employee doesnt have a company car, so they get another one, then they sell it to whoever, and the little old company car is never to be seen again.. but dont tell anyone, its a trade secret ;)

here is australia people who have graduatedm, dont get deals or grants like thay, which is a shame.

Originally posted by Trin's_Pimp
I'm 15 in grade 10. In my math class, why are we learning about poraBLAHBLAH's and factoring....What I want to know, besides using it in grade 11, how is this going to help me in life?

School is a POS!

btw- HU, that badger site is the hizzle dizzle fo' shizzle! Education is a necessity. Obviously, you don't even try in school because i'm the same age as you and i'm alreay past the quad equ. Sure it's boring, but it's necessary. If you want to live on the streets go ahead but don't influence others to. Without education you're just going to wake up one day and act like you have mad cow disease or something going duuhhh, duuhhh...

bovine spongeform ensephalopathy

your brain becomes like gelatin and you slowly become a vegetable. no human survivors yet

just something to think about with help from x<N e 0>x

Originally posted by NeoMeansNew
bovine spongeform ensephalopathy

your brain becomes like gelatin and you slowly become a vegetable. no human survivors yet

just something to think about with help from x<N e 0>x I don't think he knows what Encephalopathy means... then again... neither do I...

Ahh: 4 entries found for Encephalopathy.
en·ceph·a·lop·a·thy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-sf-lp-th)
n. pl. en·ceph·a·lop·a·thies
Any of various diseases of the brain.

Not bad for someone who can't read, lol.

why thank you, i learned it in bio class. only disease name i can remember. not many people know how to pronounce it though.
and i can't read. i have no idea what i am saying

Bovine: cow
spongeform: the result of the disease in your brain, makes it like jelly
encephalopathy: makes it happen to the brain. its named that way for a reason

The one thing no one can take away from you is your education.

I personally liked math because it teaches logic.

Yes definitely, you are right. It is the only thing (I should say think) that cannot be stolen.

Can you steel comprehension or intelligence ?
Are we only what we are educated to be ?

encephalo means head in greek, and pathy means disease, don't need a dictionnary to guess, ghehe. Mad cow is quicker tho.

but bovine spongeform encephalopathy sounds so much weirder